Discussion:
What if Ken Starr Were Right?
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Ubiquitous
2017-11-19 10:52:51 UTC
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In the longstanding liberal narrative about Bill Clinton and his
scandals, the one pushed by Clinton courtiers and ratified in media
coverage of his post-presidency, our 42nd president was only guilty of
being a horndog, his affairs were nobody’s business but his family’s,
and oral sex with Monica Lewinsky was a small thing that should never
have put his presidency in peril.

That narrative could not survive the current wave of outrage over male
sexual misconduct.

So now a new one may be forming for the age of Harvey Weinstein and
Donald Trump. In this story, Kenneth Starr and the Republicans are
still dismissed as partisan witch hunters. But liberals might be
willing to concede that the Lewinsky affair was a pretty big deal
morally, a clear abuse of sexual power, for which Clinton probably
should have been pressured to resign.

This new narrative lines up with what’s often been my own assessment of
the Clinton scandals. I have never been a Clinton hater; indeed, I’ve
always been a little mystified by the scale of Republican dislike for
the most centrist of recent Democratic leaders. So I’ve generally held
what I’ve considered a sensible middle-ground position on his sins —
that he should have stepped down when the Lewinsky affair came to
light, but that the Republican effort to impeach him was a hopeless
attempt to legislate against dishonor.

But a moment of reassessment is a good time to reassess things for
yourself, so I spent this week reading about the lost world of the
1990s. I skimmed the Starr Report. I leafed through books by George
Stephanopoulos and Joe Klein and Michael Isikoff. I dug into
Troopergate and Whitewater and other first-term scandals. I
reacquainted myself with Gennifer Flowers and Webb Hubbell, James Riady
and Marc Rich.

After doing all this reading, I’m not sure my reasonable middle ground
is actually reasonable. It may be that the conservatives of the 1990s
were simply _right_ about Clinton, that once he failed to resign he
really deserved to be impeached.

Yes, the Republicans were too partisan, the Starr Report was too
prurient and Clinton’s haters generated various absurd conspiracy
theories.

But the Clinton operation was also extraordinarily sordid, in ways that
should be thrown into particular relief by the absence of similar
scandals in the Obama administration, which had perfervid enemies and
circling investigators as well.

The sexual misconduct was the heart of things, but everything connected
to Clinton’s priapism was bad: the use of the perks of office to
procure women, willing and unwilling; the frequent use of that same
power to buy silence and bully victims; and yes, the brazen public lies
and perjury.

Something like Troopergate, for instance, in which Arkansas state
troopers claimed to have served as Clinton’s panderers and been offered
jobs to buy their silence, is often recalled as just a right-wing hit
job. But if you read The Los Angeles Times’s reporting on the
allegations (which included phone records confirming the troopers’
account of a mistress Clinton was seeing during his presidential
transition) and Stephanopoulos’s portrayal of Clinton’s behavior in the
White House when the story broke, the story seems like it was probably
mostly true.

I have less confidence about what was real in the miasma of Whitewater.
But with Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky, we know what happened: A
president being sued for sexual harassment tried to buy off a
mistress-turned-potential-witness with White House favors, and then
committed perjury serious enough to merit disbarment. Which also
brought forward a compelling allegation from Juanita Broaddrick that
the president had raped her.

The longer I spent with these old stories, the more I came back to a
question: If exploiting a willing intern is a serious enough abuse of
power to warrant resignation, why is obstructing justice in a sexual
harassment case not serious enough to warrant impeachment? Especially
when the behavior is part of a longstanding pattern that also may
extend to rape? Would any feminist today hesitate to take a similar
opportunity to remove a predatory studio head or C.E.O.?

There is a common liberal argument that our present polarization is the
result of constant partisan escalations on the right — the rise of Newt
Gingrich, the steady Hannitization of right-wing media.

Some of this is true. But returning to the impeachment imbroglio made
me think that in that case the most important escalators were the
Democrats. They had an opportunity, with Al Gore waiting in the wings,
to show a predator the door and establish some moral common ground for
a polarizing country.

And what they did instead — turning their party into an accessory to
Clinton’s appetites, shamelessly abandoning feminist principle,
smearing victims and blithely ignoring his most credible accuser, _all
because Republicans funded the investigations and they’re prudes and
it’s all just Sexual McCarthyism_ — feels in the cold clarity of
hindsight like a great act of partisan deformation.

For which, it’s safe to say, we have all been amply punished since.
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Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'd
have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.
Rudy Canoza
2017-11-19 19:16:14 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
In the longstanding liberal narrative about Bill Clinton and his
scandals, the one pushed by Clinton courtiers and ratified in media
coverage of his post-presidency, our 42nd president was only guilty of
being a horndog, his affairs were nobody’s business but his family’s,
and oral sex with Monica Lewinsky was a small thing that should never
have put his presidency in peril.
That narrative could not survive the current wave of outrage over male
sexual misconduct.
So now a new one may be forming for the age of Harvey Weinstein and
Donald Trump. In this story, Kenneth Starr and the Republicans are
still dismissed as partisan witch hunters. But liberals might be
willing to concede that the Lewinsky affair was a pretty big deal
morally, a clear abuse of sexual power, for which Clinton probably
should have been pressured to resign.
This new narrative lines up with what’s often been my own assessment of
the Clinton scandals. I have never been a Clinton hater; indeed, I’ve
always been a little mystified by the scale of Republican dislike for
the most centrist of recent Democratic leaders.
I explained that more than 20 years ago. It had literally nothing to do
with any "hard" policies, e.g. tax increases, health care, etc. The
wildly irrational, rabid hatred for Bill Clinton was 100% due to the
culture wars of the 1960s, which the far right lost ignominiously. Bill
Clinton dodged the draft, had long hair, smoked dope and criticized the
Vietnam war on foreign soil. If you look closely at the large majority
of right-wingnut knuckle-draggers who hated Clinton with every fiber of
their bodies, they were all about the same age as Clinton, but they were
always "good" boys who never challenged authority in any way...except
that the vast majority of them, like Limbaugh, *also* were draft
dodgers. But they mouthed all the patriotic platitudes, said we (but
not they) had to fight the "red menace" in southeast Asia, they didn't
smoke dope, and they never challenged authority, ever. The fact that a
long-haired pot-smoking draft dodger could become president just sent
them over the cliff into irrational hatred.

If Hillary Clinton hadn't been married to him, and yes, protected him
from the accusations of rape and other sexual misconduct, the far right
never would have hated her with the passion with which they do hate her.
Hillary's biggest sin, to the knuckle-draggers, was being the
long-haired pot-smoking draft dodger's enabler and protector.
Mitchell Holman
2017-11-19 19:56:36 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
Post by Ubiquitous
In the longstanding liberal narrative about Bill Clinton and his
scandals, the one pushed by Clinton courtiers and ratified in media
coverage of his post-presidency, our 42nd president was only guilty
of being a horndog, his affairs were nobody’s business but his
family’s, and oral sex with Monica Lewinsky was a small thing that
should never have put his presidency in peril.
That narrative could not survive the current wave of outrage over
male sexual misconduct.
So now a new one may be forming for the age of Harvey Weinstein and
Donald Trump. In this story, Kenneth Starr and the Republicans are
still dismissed as partisan witch hunters. But liberals might be
willing to concede that the Lewinsky affair was a pretty big deal
morally, a clear abuse of sexual power, for which Clinton probably
should have been pressured to resign.
This new narrative lines up with what’s often been my own
assessment of the Clinton scandals. I have never been a Clinton
hater; indeed, I’ve always been a little mystified by the scale of
Republican dislike for the most centrist of recent Democratic
leaders.
I explained that more than 20 years ago. It had literally nothing to
do with any "hard" policies, e.g. tax increases, health care, etc.
The wildly irrational, rabid hatred for Bill Clinton was 100% due to
the culture wars of the 1960s, which the far right lost ignominiously.
Bill Clinton dodged the draft, had long hair, smoked dope and
criticized the Vietnam war on foreign soil. If you look closely at
the large majority of right-wingnut knuckle-draggers who hated Clinton
with every fiber of their bodies, they were all about the same age as
Clinton, but they were always "good" boys who never challenged
authority in any way...except that the vast majority of them, like
Limbaugh, *also* were draft dodgers. But they mouthed all the
patriotic platitudes, said we (but not they) had to fight the "red
menace" in southeast Asia, they didn't smoke dope, and they never
challenged authority, ever. The fact that a long-haired pot-smoking
draft dodger could become president just sent them over the cliff into
irrational hatred.
If Clinton had run as a Republican conservaitves
would PRAISED his rags to riches story, his Rhodes
scholarship tour, his rejection of New England values
in returning to his roots to enter Arkansas politics.

Just as they would have saluted his presidential
conservatism, from crushing unions with NAFTA, from
marginalizing gays with Dont Ask Dont Tell, his
attempt to censor the internet with is Communication
Decency Act, his creation of 63 new federal death
penalty offenses, and giving a Medal of Freedom
award to Gerald Ford.
Rudy Canoza
2017-11-19 20:03:46 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Rudy Canoza
Post by Ubiquitous
In the longstanding liberal narrative about Bill Clinton and his
scandals, the one pushed by Clinton courtiers and ratified in media
coverage of his post-presidency, our 42nd president was only guilty
of being a horndog, his affairs were nobody’s business but his
family’s, and oral sex with Monica Lewinsky was a small thing that
should never have put his presidency in peril.
That narrative could not survive the current wave of outrage over
male sexual misconduct.
So now a new one may be forming for the age of Harvey Weinstein and
Donald Trump. In this story, Kenneth Starr and the Republicans are
still dismissed as partisan witch hunters. But liberals might be
willing to concede that the Lewinsky affair was a pretty big deal
morally, a clear abuse of sexual power, for which Clinton probably
should have been pressured to resign.
This new narrative lines up with what’s often been my own
assessment of the Clinton scandals. I have never been a Clinton
hater; indeed, I’ve always been a little mystified by the scale of
Republican dislike for the most centrist of recent Democratic
leaders.
I explained that more than 20 years ago. It had literally nothing to
do with any "hard" policies, e.g. tax increases, health care, etc.
The wildly irrational, rabid hatred for Bill Clinton was 100% due to
the culture wars of the 1960s, which the far right lost ignominiously.
Bill Clinton dodged the draft, had long hair, smoked dope and
criticized the Vietnam war on foreign soil. If you look closely at
the large majority of right-wingnut knuckle-draggers who hated Clinton
with every fiber of their bodies, they were all about the same age as
Clinton, but they were always "good" boys who never challenged
authority in any way...except that the vast majority of them, like
Limbaugh, *also* were draft dodgers. But they mouthed all the
patriotic platitudes, said we (but not they) had to fight the "red
menace" in southeast Asia, they didn't smoke dope, and they never
challenged authority, ever. The fact that a long-haired pot-smoking
draft dodger could become president just sent them over the cliff into
irrational hatred.
If Clinton had run as a Republican conservaitves
would PRAISED his rags to riches story,
No, not given his history, Bitch Holeman.

Fuck, but you're stupid.
Gronk
2017-11-27 05:17:28 UTC
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