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Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-18 11:04:17 UTC
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Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm

In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.

Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.

Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.

Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.

Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.

Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.

As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.

Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.

This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.

What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.

Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.

Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.

Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.

Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
4635 Dead
2008-08-18 13:26:55 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
Strange to see Knickers posting something from Holbrooke.

Even stranger to be agreeing with him.
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

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Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-19 00:07:00 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:04:17 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
Strange to see Knickers posting something from Holbrooke.
Why?
Post by 4635 Dead
Even stranger to be agreeing with him.
What makes you think I agree with him, Porky?
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827(From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001      
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
Strange to see Knickers posting something from Holbrooke.
Why?
Post by 4635 Dead
Even stranger to be agreeing with him.
What makes you think I agree with him, Porky?
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827(From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001      
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Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
Strange to see Knickers posting something from Holbrooke.
Why?
Post by 4635 Dead
Even stranger to be agreeing with him.
What makes you think I agree with him, Porky?
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
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In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827(FromYang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001      
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.

You poor pathetic half-wit.
4635 Dead
2008-08-19 13:21:29 UTC
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Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.

Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both

Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001

Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
Zepps_News-***@yahoogroups.com
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Steve
2008-08-19 13:26:48 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:21:29 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
irony anyone

More stupid claims by Jamieson

"I just found out that Condoleezza Rice, [...], the National Security
advisor, spend last evening attending a Broadway play."
--Zepp Jamieson Sep 1, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/30ffcc5ea636...

"And why are dividends on 401Ks considered capital gains? (They are,
when it comes time to cash the 401K in, but Steve wouldn't know that)."
David (Zepp) Jamieson Tue, 29 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/25d56714cbea3db9?hl=en

"Electricity in California was a publically-held utility (i.e.,
government-run) from 1895 until 1998. It took privatization
of the generation plants to fuck everything up
beyond belief."
David (Zepp) Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/3ad9a56512ac8e2e?hl=en

"The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters."
--David (Zepp) Jamieson
"http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_541474719

"Well, that's the funny thing about terrorists. If they get what they
want, they stop being terrorists."
--Zepp Jamieson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q5sc50lf1id03ms1i9truk78v2dk6052f5%404ax.com

"The South couldn't taken any more of the Missouri Compromise,
sensing (correctly) that it would kill slavery in the end,
and Lincoln planned to uphold it."
--Zepp Jamieson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=9j2n5vsqfga7l2fsrt0polt2eg6lqs71hv%404ax.com

If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&
hl=en&

"No plane hit the Pentagon."
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/39d98c910d32047b?hl=en&

"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution specifies that people have
a right to vote in a presidential election pretty much takes the
choice of having [a presidential election] out of the hands of the states."
Zepp Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efb4fcac7b1561cb?hl=en&

In fact, I question the milk price, since farm supports put a "floor"
on what retailers can charge.
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f7f4b713c4651011?&hl=en

"Promote the general welfare" chuckles. That means the government is
there to prevent churches, aristocracy, or corporations fron enslaving
the American people.
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/f5ef73efac8311bb?hl=en&

"Actually, any beach front has public access, and all state owned
(whether federal or state) must grant equal access to all. That is
the law."
David (Zepp) Jamieson more ignorance of the law
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/6956aa0300e311c9
N***@Click.com
2008-08-19 14:51:21 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:26:48 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
irony anyone
The only iron you can relate to is the taste of Bush's
asshole, Stevie.
pyjamarama
2008-08-19 16:09:07 UTC
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Post by N***@Click.com
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:26:48 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
irony anyone
The only iron you can relate to is the taste of Bush's
asshole, Stevie.
Citing Gary Roselles for his sickening racial/homophobic slurs,
threats, calls to murder and complete lack of Usenet Intellect (all of
which his buddy Hank is in COMPLETE agreement with...):

(See links to originals at):

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/943bd273a8bd0290?hl=en

On 23 Aug 2006 04:29:00 -0700, Gary Roselles <***@KNICKLAS.COM>
wrote: "What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (distinguished
black scholar) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford,never having worked a
day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?"

On Jun 6, 09:33:41, ***@Knicklas.com wrote of distinguished African-
American scholars Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams: "Both are
traitors to their race

On May 6, 7:18 am, Gary Roselles <***@Click.com> wrote:"Group
Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coon, coconut headed hater"

On Apr 30, 2:40 pm, Gary Roselles <***@Click.com> wrote: "Those
who stand up for their race, their issues, their causes are those you
hate."

On 18 Feb 2007 09:45:03 GMT Gary Roselles <***@Knicklas.com>wrote:
"Then why was you mother stupid enough to fuck all them black guys?"

On 30 Oct 2006 11:13:21 -0800, Gary Roselles <***@Knicklas.com>wrote:
"brown niggers need to be taken out"

On 24 Apr 2001 17:43:01 GMT Gary Roselles <***@idt.net> wrote (in
reply to an Op-Ed by African-American Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson):
'Say"yes Massa", Uncle Tom.'

On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:27:54 GMT, Gary Roselles
<***@idt.net>wrote: You actually think that placing blackskinned,
white thinking people is going to gain anything with real minorities?

On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:27:54 GMT, Gary Roselles
<***@idt.net>wrote: "Bush's Uncle tom Cabinet is good first step
for GOP"

"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
uncle tom to appease voters." Gary Roselles on Gen. Colin Powell Dec
18 2000

"May a real american have the honor of putting a bullet between her
eyes." -- Gary Roselles on what he'd like to do Rob Robertson's
teenage daughter. 11/14/2000

"Hilliary has more intellect and balls than you do, you racist
faggot." -- Homophobe Gary Roselles with another of his patented slurs
May 8 2007

"Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
socialist" -- Homophobe Gary Roselles, Apr 20 2006

"The word Faggot just describes a gay person" -- Homophobe Gary
Roselles Mar 7 2001

"She should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles on killing Katherine
Harris Dec 1st 2001

"I call Kathering Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue whore.
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary Roselles,
Jan 8 2001

Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl -- Gary
Roselles, Jan 8 2001

"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
inspired emotion." Gary Roselles, Jan 8 2001
Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-19 23:40:38 UTC
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Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad.  Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.

{snickers}
Gandalf Grey
2008-08-20 00:08:43 UTC
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Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
% And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.

E venendo da Dickless Kurt, questo è tutto il circa ironico come ottiene.
4635 Dead
2008-08-20 00:30:49 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad.  Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Steve
2008-08-20 00:54:09 UTC
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Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad.  Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
I keep waiting for Zepp to learn what capital gains and 401Ks are all
about... Not that he'll ever need that knowledge...
N***@Click.com
2008-08-20 01:28:01 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:09 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
I keep waiting for Zepp to learn what capital gains and 401Ks are all
about... Not that he'll ever need that knowledge...
And don't we all wait for the day the message that
you're a dumb asshole finally reaches that pea-brain of
yours, Stevie.
Gandalf Grey
2008-08-20 01:06:03 UTC
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Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
Steve
2008-08-20 01:12:03 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
irony anyone?
4635 Dead
2008-08-20 04:20:44 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
True. And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both

Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001

Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
Zepps_News-***@yahoogroups.com
For essays (donations accepted, 2 articles/week)
Zepps_essays-***@yahoogroups.com
a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
Steve
2008-08-20 09:19:08 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
True. And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL> Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining.... but then, he
has so much to whine about.
Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-26 11:17:36 UTC
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Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter.  He still wouldn't understand it.
True.  And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL>  Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining....  but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
Steve
2008-08-26 11:38:40 UTC
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter.  He still wouldn't understand it.
True.  And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL>  Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining....  but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...


Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own
highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be
earned.
_Ayn Rand "ATLAS SHRUGGED"
Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-27 00:53:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter.  He still wouldn't understand it.
True.  And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL>  Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining....  but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
Post by Steve
Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own
highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be
earned.
_Ayn Rand  "ATLAS SHRUGGED"
Gandalf Grey
2008-08-27 01:03:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree
with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
True. And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL> Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining.... but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
==============================================

Oh look. Dickless is beginning to think he has some importance in the
scheme of things.

Stop dreaming, little Troll. You don't have the pull necessary to get gum
off the bottom of your shoe.
Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-27 01:07:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree
with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may
learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in
fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
True. And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL> Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining.... but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
==============================================
Oh look.  Dickless is beginning to think he has some importance in the
scheme of things.
Stop dreaming, little Troll.  You don't have the pull necessary to get gum
off the bottom of your shoe.
But I can certainly make you run after my shoe, yapping after my every
post!

The Richard "Gandalf" Hanson FAQ
http://tinyurl.com/6gwnd

Hahaha.
Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-27 01:14:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
Post by Kurt Nicklas
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
==============================================
Oh.....
Which about sums up what you have to say here, Ricky.

------------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/6gwnd
N***@Click.com
2008-08-27 04:19:17 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:14:09 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Which about sums up what you have to say here, Ricky.
"CLICK"

Which sums up what you said all those times you called
and hung up, KNICKKKERS.
N***@Click.com
2008-08-27 04:18:39 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:07:16 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
But I can certainly make you run after my shoe, yapping after my every
post!
You mean like I did YOU for years, Knickkkers?

Until you'd get drunk and make late night, crank phone
calls?

SNICKER
Steve
2008-08-27 01:29:37 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:03:51 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree
with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may
learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in
fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
True. And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL> Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining.... but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
==============================================
Oh look. Dickless is beginning to think he has some importance in the
scheme of things.
Stop dreaming, little Troll. You don't have the pull necessary to get gum
off the bottom of your shoe.
Irony anyone? Gandalf Hanson doesn't have enough of what it takes to
buy a decent home....



Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own
highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be
earned.
_Ayn Rand "ATLAS SHRUGGED"
N***@Click.com
2008-08-27 04:17:44 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:29:37 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
Irony anyone? Gandalf Hanson doesn't have enough of what it takes to
buy a decent home..
Considering your nose against the nearest available
rightwing sphincter as your permanent home, that's
funny.
Gandalf Grey
2008-08-27 04:20:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by N***@Click.com
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:29:37 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
Irony anyone? Gandalf Hanson doesn't have enough of what it takes to
buy a decent home..
Considering your nose against the nearest available
rightwing sphincter as your permanent home, that's
funny.
What's funny is that "Steve" still has no idea where I live or who I am.
Steve
2008-08-27 09:33:27 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:20:41 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by Gandalf Grey
Post by N***@Click.com
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:29:37 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
Irony anyone? Gandalf Hanson doesn't have enough of what it takes to
buy a decent home..
Considering your nose against the nearest available
rightwing sphincter as your permanent home, that's
funny.
What's funny is that "Steve" still has no idea where I live or who I am.
What's really funny is that Richard Gandalf Hanson's bluster and
denials, since I do know who he is and where he lives....


Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own
highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be
earned.
_Ayn Rand "ATLAS SHRUGGED"
4657 Dead
2008-08-27 01:34:39 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:03:51 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree
with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may
learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in
fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
True. And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL> Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining.... but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
==============================================
Oh look. Dickless is beginning to think he has some importance in the
scheme of things.
Stop dreaming, little Troll. You don't have the pull necessary to get gum
off the bottom of your shoe.
Knickers explifies the cowardice of the American right; if you can't
sulk your way to success, try to stalk, bully, and threaten.

Bet he's a useless middle management dick, anal and
passive-aggressive, wherever he works.
--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both

Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001

Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Gandalf Grey
2008-08-27 01:48:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:03:51 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:20:44 -0700, 4635 Dead
Post by Steve
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:06:03 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
Post by 4635 Dead
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Post by N***@Click.com
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:29:12 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Somehow I can't imagine you posting something you don't agree
with.
If and when you ever grow up to be a functioning adult you may
learn
there are lots of other things you "can't imagine" that are, in
fact,
true.
Well we all can imagine you with your little monkey in
your hand, whacking off to your latest "hate-page",
looking up numbers of ISP's to complain to----except
don't try and count those that stop providing as
"proof", Knicklas.
You poor pathetic half-wit.
I'm guessing he never actually said why he disagreed with the peice.
He was just so mortified that I agreed with it that he went through
his little charade of disowning it.
Pretty sad. Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
{snickers}
I keep waiting to see if you or your Floriduh dopplegaanger will ever
actually look that word up...
Would it really matter. He still wouldn't understand it.
True. And it IS fun watching them imagine that using it the way they
do is crushing repartee....
<LOL> Apparently, Zepp cannot post without whining.... but then, he
has so much to whine about.
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
He's lucky he hasn't been deported...
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
==============================================
Oh look. Dickless is beginning to think he has some importance in the
scheme of things.
Stop dreaming, little Troll. You don't have the pull necessary to get gum
off the bottom of your shoe.
Knickers explifies the cowardice of the American right; if you can't
sulk your way to success, try to stalk, bully, and threaten.
Bet he's a useless middle management dick, anal and
passive-aggressive, wherever he works.
Sorry, but I've got to expect that middle management would be a bridge too
far for Dickless. If he's in any technical field, he's data entry at best.
N***@Click.com
2008-08-27 04:17:03 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:53:23 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
And your lies got you off the net in shame for y ears,
Knickkers

Now we get to ridicule you for dragging some bimbo home
from Russia

Too funny
4657 Dead
2008-08-27 05:14:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by N***@Click.com
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:53:23 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
He knows that one more lie about being able to vote and he may be
bidding
goodbye to Dogpatch, CA.
And your lies got you off the net in shame for y ears,
Knickkers
Now we get to ridicule you for dragging some bimbo home
from Russia
Too funny
He wants so hard to be a superior Christian and a superior American,
and he isn't worth a shit at either.

Makes him amusing, in a sad, Russian kind of way.
--

What do you call a Republican with a conscience?

An ex-Republican.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)

"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both

Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001

Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
Zepps_News-***@yahoogroups.com
For essays (donations accepted, 2 articles/week)
Zepps_essays-***@yahoogroups.com
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N***@Click.com
2008-08-26 18:27:02 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:17:36 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
He isn't humble but has so very much to be humble about.
Kinda like you being nailed for a drunken crank caller,
Eh Knickkers

SNICKER
N***@Click.com
2008-08-20 01:27:04 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:40:38 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by 4635 Dead
Pretty sad.  Knickers really does have some deep-down emotional
problems.
And "Zepp" continues to set the standard for irony on usenet.
And you continue to set the stupid standard for the
usenet now that Robertson, Beck, Dana, Silvershitbag,
IsoPropyl, Lurker Lowe, FujiFart all left

MOF, YOU left after getting caught making all those
late-night hangup phone calls, Knickkkers

Why was that

Shame?

SNICKER.
Yap
2008-08-26 11:46:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
This is a fucking hypocrite.
While US and Nato (primarily US) wanted a buffer zone so far from
their soil, it wants to Russia to have no buffer at all.
And being after cold war, Nato still exist and even trying to expand
as much as it can towards Russia.
Yes, this exactly shows the gun boat policy of the west, particularly
US.
However, Russia could sense all these evil intention towards it and is
not intimidated.
morgan mair fheal
2008-08-26 12:05:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Yap
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
This is a fucking hypocrite.
While US and Nato (primarily US) wanted a buffer zone so far from
their soil, it wants to Russia to have no buffer at all.
with international diplomacy still running for the last couple of centuries
at the level of subtle dynamics of kindergarten playground
its about who can push whom how far with getting a bloody nose

russia caught tired of being pushed around
they found an opportunity to push back
now nato is trying to push back
with the next possible squabble over ukrania

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-27 00:59:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Yap
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
This is a fucking hypocrite.
While US and Nato (primarily US) wanted a buffer zone so far from
their soil, it wants to Russia to have no buffer at all.
And being after cold war, Nato still exist and even trying to expand
as much as it can towards Russia.
Yes, this exactly shows the gun boat policy of the west, particularly
US.
However, Russia could sense all these evil intention towards it and is
not intimidated.
Russia under Putin as during the Soviet Union sees other countries as
either
vassals or enemies. Putin needs an enemy to take his people's mind off
raging
inflation and loss of personal freedom. Putin, little G-Bchik that he
is, is
accustomed to looking at the US as the Staryj Vrag that he needs so
badly.

Until Russia joins the family of nations as an equal it will always be
in the
third world. Just another banana republic whining for respect....
Gandalf Grey
2008-08-27 01:07:53 UTC
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Post by Yap
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus
/http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
This is a fucking hypocrite.
While US and Nato (primarily US) wanted a buffer zone so far from
their soil, it wants to Russia to have no buffer at all.
And being after cold war, Nato still exist and even trying to expand
as much as it can towards Russia.
Yes, this exactly shows the gun boat policy of the west, particularly
US.
However, Russia could sense all these evil intention towards it and is
not intimidated.
Russia under Putin as during the Soviet Union sees other countries as
either
vassals or enemies. Putin needs an enemy
==============================================

Listen to the little tin cold warrior.

The GOP needs an enemy. The GOP has always needed an enemy.

The GOP IS the enemy. And in the next election the GOP is going back to
Hell where it came from.

Stick that up your ass, Dickless. It should be a refreshing change from
Larry Craig's penis.
Yap
2008-08-27 05:25:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Yap
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
This is a fucking hypocrite.
While US and Nato (primarily US) wanted a buffer zone so far from
their soil, it wants to Russia to have no buffer at all.
And being after cold war, Nato still exist and even trying to expand
as much as it can towards Russia.
Yes, this exactly shows the gun boat policy of the west, particularly
US.
However, Russia could sense all these evil intention towards it and is
not intimidated.
Russia under Putin as during the Soviet Union sees other countries as
either
vassals or enemies. Putin needs an enemy to take his people's mind off
raging
inflation and loss of personal freedom. Putin, little G-Bchik that he
is, is
accustomed to looking at the US as the Staryj Vrag that he needs so
badly.
Until Russia joins the family of nations as an equal it will always be
in the
third world. Just another banana republic whining for respect....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, but this timing ni whining is needed. They throw in their
tanks.....
Kurt Nicklas
2008-08-28 09:20:18 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Yap
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia Has Crossed the Line
13 August 2008
By Richard C. Holbrooke, Ronald D. Asmus /http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/369767.htm
In weeks and years past, each of us has argued that Russia was
pursuing a policy of regime change toward Georgia and its pro-Western,
democratically elected president, Mikheil Saakashvili. We predicted
that, absent strong and unified Western diplomatic involvement, war
was coming.
Now, tragically, an escalation of violence in South Ossetia has
culminated in a full-scale Russian invasion of Georgia. The West,
especially the United States, could have prevented this war. A
watershed moment is at hand in the West's post-Cold War relations with
Russia.
Exactly what happened in South Ossetia last week is unclear. Each side
will argue its own version. But we know, without doubt, that Georgia
was responding to repeated provocative attacks by South Ossetian
separatists controlled and funded by the Kremlin. This is a not a war
Georgia wanted; it believed that it was slowly gaining ground in South
Ossetia through a strategy of soft power.
Whatever mistakes Georgia's government made cannot justify Russia's
actions. The Kremlin has invaded a neighbor, an illegal act of
aggression that violates the United Nations Charter and fundamental
principles of cooperation and security in Europe.
Beginning a well-planned war as the Olympics were opening violates the
ancient tradition of a truce to conflict during the games. Russia's
willingness to create a war zone 40 kilometers from the Black Sea city
of Sochi, where it is to host the Winter Games in 2014, hardly
demonstrates its commitment to Olympic ideals. In contrast, Russia's
timing suggests that Prime Minister Vladimir Putin seeks to overthrow
Saakashvili well ahead of the U.S. elections, and thus avoid beginning
relations with the next president on an overtly confrontational note.
Russia's goal is not simply, as it claims, restoring the status quo in
South Ossetia. It wants regime change in Georgia. It has opened a
second front in the other disputed Georgian territory, Abkhazia, just
south of Sochi. But its largest goal is to replace Saakashvili -- a
man Putin despises -- with a president more subject to Kremlin
influence.
As Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt pointed out Saturday, Moscow's
rationale for invading has parallels to the darkest chapters of
Europe's history. Having issued passports to tens of thousands of
Abkhaz and South Ossetians, Moscow now claims that it must intervene
to protect them -- a tactic reminiscent of one used by Nazi Germany at
the start of World War II.
Russia seeks to roll back democratic breakthroughs on its borders, to
destroy any chance of further NATO or European Union enlargement and
to reestablish a sphere of hegemony over its neighbors. By trying to
destroy a democratic, pro-Western Georgia, Moscow is sending a message
that, in its part of the world, being close to the United States and
the West does not pay.
This moment could well mark the end of an era in Europe during which
realpolitik and spheres of influence were supposed to be replaced by
cooperative norms and a country's right to choose its own path. Hopes
for a more liberal Russia under President Dmitry Medvedev will need to
be re-examined. His justification for this invasion reads more like
Leonid Brezhnev than Mikhail Gorbachev. While no one wants a return to
Cold War-style confrontation, Russia's behavior poses a direct
challenge to European and international order.
What can the West do? First, Georgia deserves the West's solidarity
and support. The West must get the fighting stopped and preserve
Georgia's territorial integrity within its current international
border. As soon as hostilities cease, there should be a major,
coordinated trans-Atlantic effort to help Tbilisi rebuild and
recover.
Second, we should not pretend that Russia is a neutral peacekeeper in
conflicts on its borders. Russia is part of the problem, not the
solution. For too long, Moscow has used existing international
mandates to pursue neo-imperial policies. The West must disavow these
mandates and insist on truly neutral international forces, under the
United Nations, to monitor a future cease-fire and to mediate.
Third, the West needs to counter Russian pressure on its neighbors,
especially Ukraine -- most likely the next target in Moscow's efforts
to create a new sphere of hegemony. The United States and the EU must
be clear that Ukraine and Georgia will not be condemned to some kind
of gray zone.
Finally, the United States and the EU must make clear that this kind
of aggression will affect relations and Russia's standing in the West.
While Western military intervention in Georgia is out of the question
-- and no one wants a 21st-century version of the Cold War -- Russia's
actions cannot be ignored. There is a vast array of political,
economic and other areas in which Russia's role and standing will have
to be re-examined. The Kremlin must also be put on notice that its own
prestige project -- the Sochi Olympics in 2014 -- will be affected by
its behavior.
Weak Western diplomacy and lack of transatlantic unity failed to
prevent an avoidable war. Only strong trans-Atlantic unity can stop
this war and begin to repair the immense damage done. Otherwise, we
can add one more issue to the growing list of the President George W.
Bush's foreign policy failures.
This is a fucking hypocrite.
While US and Nato (primarily US) wanted a buffer zone so far from
their soil, it wants to Russia to have no buffer at all.
And being after cold war, Nato still exist and even trying to expand
as much as it can towards Russia.
Yes, this exactly shows the gun boat policy of the west, particularly
US.
However, Russia could sense all these evil intention towards it and is
not intimidated.
Russia under Putin as during the Soviet Union sees other countries as
either
vassals or enemies. Putin needs an enemy to take his people's mind off
raging
inflation and loss of personal freedom. Putin, little G-Bchik that he
is, is
accustomed to looking at the US as the Staryj Vrag that he needs so
badly.
Until Russia joins the family of nations as an equal it will always be
in the
third world. Just another banana republic whining for respect....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, but this timing ni whining is needed. They throw in their
tanks.....
So which small nation on Russia's border will you use your tanks on
next? Ukraine? Moldova? Lithuania?

morgan mair fheal
2008-08-27 06:00:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Russia under Putin as during the Soviet Union sees other countries as
either
vassals or enemies. Putin needs an enemy to take his people's mind off
raging
youre for us or against us
Post by Kurt Nicklas
inflation and loss of personal freedom. Putin, little G-Bchik that he
is, is
bomb bomb bomb
bomb bomb iran
Post by Kurt Nicklas
accustomed to looking at the US as the Staryj Vrag that he needs so
badly.
nations dont invade nations in the twenty first century
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Until Russia joins the family of nations as an equal it will always be
in the
third world. Just another banana republic whining for respect....
sounds familar

i wonder mwhy

arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
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