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2nd Amendment ruled Constitutional
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r wiley
2008-06-26 16:28:16 UTC
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The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

rw
Tartarus
2008-06-26 16:31:43 UTC
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Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. In any case, I
say "Finally!"

This is a good day for freedom.

Tartarus
Arizona Bushwhacker
2008-06-26 17:13:44 UTC
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Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. In any case, I
say "Finally!"

This is a good day for freedom.

Tartarus

A vote for John McCain is a vote
to ban guns! It's that simple!
Bobby Jacobs
2008-06-26 18:13:39 UTC
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Post by Tartarus
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. In any case, I
say "Finally!"
This is a good day for freedom.
And now all we have to do is make sure Obamma doesn't become the next
President of the United States of America... before he ruins it all, and
takes it away.
Arizona Bushwhacker
2008-06-26 18:28:02 UTC
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Post by Bobby Jacobs
Post by Tartarus
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. In any case, I
say "Finally!"
This is a good day for freedom.
And now all we have to do is make sure Obamma doesn't become the next
President of the United States of America... before he ruins it all, and
takes it away.
Why did you cut only the part I posted and
then reply to me?

"A vote for John McCain is a vote
to ban guns! It's that simple!"

The real question is...
Why do supporters of Gun Grabber McCain
hate private gun ownership in America?
Wayne
2008-06-26 18:32:27 UTC
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Post by Tartarus
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. In any case, I
say "Finally!"
This is a good day for freedom.
Tartarus
Now, if us folks in Kalifornia can just get some of those legislature
dumbasses to quit inventing new stuff.....
It looks like the Governator has decided to sell us down the river and
approve any hairbrained scheme handed him (example: microstamping). If we
could just get rid of the whole bunch and start over.
Patriot Games
2008-06-26 19:11:26 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:13:44 -0700, "Arizona Bushwhacker"
Post by Tartarus
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. In any case, I
say "Finally!"
This is a good day for freedom.
A vote for John McCain is a vote
to ban guns! It's that simple!
Wrong:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3991

On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!
Friday, June 06, 2008

The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time
for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee
Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During
the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support
for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right
to keep and bear arms.

Print PDF version:
http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/2008Obamafactsht.pdf

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and
long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat
to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric!
Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political
career.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to
bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited
Clinton Gun Ban.2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly
used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington,
D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal
prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in
support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce
Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and
“research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5
miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun
store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of
Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms
Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure
designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which
prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being
used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued
firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for
replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements
for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the
age of 21.9


1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005.
(http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization
general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this
survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,”
Politico, March 31, 20087.
(http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment
July 2, 2005.
(http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense
Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog,
http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08.
(http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08,
December 11, 2007.
(http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,”
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama
Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04.
(http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
(http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the
Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999.
(http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday,
April 22, 2007.
(http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for
action,” February 15, 2008,
(http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would
repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .”
(http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)
Carl Nisarel
2008-06-26 16:34:51 UTC
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Post by Tartarus
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has
the same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. In any
case, I say "Finally!"
This is a good day for freedom.
You think a ruling that states that it is Constitutional to require
a license to possess a handgun in the home is a good thing?
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Morton Davis
2008-06-26 22:12:59 UTC
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Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
And the"gun control" nuts are frothing at the mouth rabid about it.
Felix D.
2008-06-27 02:07:08 UTC
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Post by Morton Davis
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
And the"gun control" nuts are frothing at the mouth rabid about it.
I went for a walk in San Francisco this afternoon with my NRA pin (Life
Member) prominently displayed and it was good.

The surprise was how many people came up and told me it was indeed a great
day for freedom.
robw
2008-06-27 02:10:50 UTC
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Ah, you did catch the part where the SC also said that government has the
right to enact laws concerning ownership?

They basically said laws like one handgun a month are Constitutional.

Sleep tight.
Post by Felix D.
Post by Morton Davis
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
And the"gun control" nuts are frothing at the mouth rabid about it.
I went for a walk in San Francisco this afternoon with my NRA pin (Life
Member) prominently displayed and it was good.
The surprise was how many people came up and told me it was indeed a great
day for freedom.
David Moffitt
2008-06-27 03:08:23 UTC
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"robw" <***@comcast.net> wrote in message news:-***@comcast.com...
| Ah, you did catch the part where the SC also said that government has the
| right to enact laws concerning ownership?
|
| They basically said laws like one handgun a month are Constitutional.
|
| Sleep tight.

%%%% No they didn't, that an outright lie.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it
happened." -- Norman Thomas, American socialist
robw
2008-06-27 03:57:06 UTC
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No, they did.

Sorry.
Post by David Moffitt
| Ah, you did catch the part where the SC also said that government has the
| right to enact laws concerning ownership?
|
| They basically said laws like one handgun a month are Constitutional.
|
| Sleep tight.
%%%% No they didn't, that an outright lie.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it
happened." -- Norman Thomas, American socialist
Morton Davis
2008-06-27 11:06:52 UTC
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Post by Felix D.
Post by Morton Davis
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
rw
And the"gun control" nuts are frothing at the mouth rabid about it.
I went for a walk in San Francisco this afternoon with my NRA pin (Life
Member) prominently displayed and it was good.
The surprise was how many people came up and told me it was indeed a great
day for freedom.
It wasn't PC to be for rights before the decision. Being for gun owners'
rights got you shouted down. The gun banners got shouted down yesterday. The
mayors of D.C., Chicago and Atlanta were on the news crying about their
loss. A great day.
Patriot Games
2008-06-27 13:39:37 UTC
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Post by Felix D.
Post by Morton Davis
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
And the"gun control" nuts are frothing at the mouth rabid about it.
I went for a walk in San Francisco this afternoon with my NRA pin (Life
Member) prominently displayed and it was good.
Bravo!
Post by Felix D.
The surprise was how many people came up and told me it was indeed a great
day for freedom.
We got some more of that coming your way.......
r wiley
2008-06-28 22:27:05 UTC
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Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Now it's time for some class action lawsuits against racketeer
influenced corrupt organizations like the city governments of
San Francisco, Chicago, Atlanta etc. which have criminally
conspired to deprive the people of their rights.

rw
Patriot Games
2008-06-29 13:39:28 UTC
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Post by r wiley
Post by r wiley
The Supremes finally ruled that the phrase "the people" has the
same meaning in the Second Amendment that it does every
other time it is used in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Now it's time for some class action lawsuits against racketeer
influenced corrupt organizations like the city governments of
San Francisco, Chicago, Atlanta etc. which have criminally
conspired to deprive the people of their rights.
Lawsuits ALREADY filed in Chicago and San Franfago...

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