Booze & Guns

Post by r wiley
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60 Los Angeles County Deputies have been arrested this year on
alcohol related charges. Most were armed when arrested. The
deputies union insists that deputies must be allowed to carry
firearms while drinking.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27658642/
rw

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "

So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?

Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

r wiley

2008-11-11 21:28:22 UTC

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms while
drinking?

rw

RD (The Sandman)

2008-11-11 21:39:22 UTC

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms
while drinking?

Depends on the extent of that drinking. One should not be "under the
influence" while carrying a firearm, but one beer, for example, should
not be the determiner either.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
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r wiley

2008-11-12 16:14:56 UTC

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms
while drinking?

Depends on the extent of that drinking. One should not be "under the
influence" while carrying a firearm, but one beer, for example, should
not be the determiner either.
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."

r wiley

2008-11-12 16:18:38 UTC

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms
while drinking?

Depends on the extent of that drinking. One should not be "under the
influence" while carrying a firearm, but one beer, for example, should
not be the determiner either.

The 60 arrested were probably too drunk to walk. We both know anything
less results in "professional courtesy", no report filed.

rw

RD (The Sandman)

2008-11-12 16:34:11 UTC

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've
had roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's
that, 0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms
while drinking?

Depends on the extent of that drinking. One should not be "under the
influence" while carrying a firearm, but one beer, for example,
should not be the determiner either.

The 60 arrested were probably too drunk to walk. We both know
anything less results in "professional courtesy", no report filed.

Probably, but that wasn't your question.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2008-11-11 22:30:30 UTC

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms while
drinking?

My premise is it's not enough of a problem to get all whiney about.

RD (The Sandman)

2008-11-12 16:35:13 UTC

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms
while drinking?

My premise is it's not enough of a problem to get all whiney about.

However, being drunk while in possession of a firearm should be treated
pretty much the same as a DUI.

Klaus Schadenfreude

2008-11-13 01:16:50 UTC

In talk.politics.guns "RD (The Sandman)"

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms
while drinking?

My premise is it's not enough of a problem to get all whiney about.

However, being drunk while in possession of a firearm should be treated
pretty much the same as a DUI.

Exactly. And you're always reading about an off-duty cop apprehending
a criminal, so one wonders what the "solution" to this "problem" is,
besides what's already being done, which is arresting and prosecuting
according to the law.

r wiley

2008-11-13 19:53:41 UTC

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
In talk.politics.guns "RD (The Sandman)"

"Since 2004, more than a dozen deputies have been accused of
brandishing or shooting a gun while under the influence of alcohol. "
So of the crimes actually INVOLVING the gun, in four years we've had
roughly 3 cases per year, out of 8,400 sworn deputies. What's that,
0.035%?
Oooooooooooooh- big problem.

So your premise is that deputies should be allowed to carry firearms
while drinking?

My premise is it's not enough of a problem to get all whiney about.

However, being drunk while in possession of a firearm should be treated
pretty much the same as a DUI.

Exactly. And you're always reading about an off-duty cop apprehending
a criminal,

We apparently read different sources.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_re_us/drug_bandits_torture_3

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/081308dnmetdpdarrest.3dd88298.html

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29525354.html

http://www.thespec.com/article/462609

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=48487

http://www.newstin.com/rel/us/en-010-004339834

http://www.dailycal.org/article/21427/off-duty_police_officer_arrested_on_gun_charges

so one wonders what the "solution" to this "problem" is,

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
besides what's already being done, which is arresting and prosecuting
according to the law.

Exactly what the Los Angeles County Sheriff proposed. Prohibit cops from going
armed while drinking.

rw

RD (The Sandman)

2008-11-11 20:31:20 UTC

Have you ever been in a cop's bar?

Wayne

2008-11-11 21:18:47 UTC

And? How big is the problem? Miniscule.
It's the same bunch of LA city government twits that were whining last year
that Kimber is selling the same gun to the public that LAPD buys.

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

2008-11-12 04:22:16 UTC