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We Oppose Obama
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Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-24 14:55:02 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.

That idea appeals to you, Poundcake, because you're a failure and
you're jealous of people who have what you think you deserve.
 a.. WEAKNESS ON NATIONAL DEFENSE
 Obama has demonstrated a complete naïveté on foreign policy, and weakness
on issues of national security.  We believe America's next President and
Commander-in-Chief must understand that peace comes from strength - and that
evil (whether it be Islamic jihadism or Russian aggression) must be
confronted with toughness and resolve.
I'll just point out that McCain is the one who STILL doesn't know the
difference between Sunni and Shi'ite, thinks there is an Iraq/Pakistan
border, and has a running mate who thinks she can handle Putin because
she can see Russia from Juneau.  
Provide evidence of any of those silly assertions.

You can't.
 a.. EMPTY ENERGY POLICY
 Obama has offered vague and simplistic positions on our nation's energy
policy.  We believe that this nation must achieve as much energy
independence as possible, and expand our options to include domestic energy
exploration (including offshore oil drilling), a greater embrace of nuclear
power, as well as increased usage of alternative energy sources such as
wind, solar, geothermal, and other renewable energy sources.  Until we do,
we will not only be beholden to foreign energy suppliers in the Middle East,
but we will also be transferring untold billions of dollars from the United
States to regimes hostile to our nation, some of whom are state sponsors of
terrorism.
"Drill, baby, drill" is the simplistic approach.  
Actually, it's "Why didn't we drill long ago?".
 a.. UNCONTROLLED BORDERS
 Obama has stood with those who support lax border enforcement and
incentives for continued illegal immigration.  We believe America must have
secure borders and that those who come to this country must have respect for
the rule of law.
Fortunately, neither candidate support the position of bigots like
you.  Who's going to pick your lettuce, cupcakes?
 a.. JUDGES WHO WILL UNDERMINE CONSTITUTION
 Obama has indicated he will appoint liberal judges who likely will serve
as activists who legislate from the bench.  We believe our nation is best
served by judges who are guided by adherence to the constitutional
principles that have made this nation great.
That one always cracks me up.  It's conservative judges who tend to be
activist and act in reckless disregard for the constitution.  I give
you Bush v. Gore as an example.
Point out exactly why Bush v. Gore violated the constitution. Would Al
Gore
agree with you?
 a.. LIBERAL THROUGH AND THROUGH
 Obama has a track record of advocating very liberal positions on many
social and cultural issues.  We believe that America is not well served by a
President who does not support embracing a "culture of life" and who is
dismissive of common sense conservative positions.
Actually, he's a moderate.
In Sweden or the Netherlands he'd be a moderate, perhaps, but here he
has
THE most leftwing voting record in the Senate. He has friends on the
Left
like William Ayers and Rev. 'God Damn America' Wright.
 The Republican party, dominated by
crackpots, free marketeers, and religious freaks, is so far right that
it thinks Margaret Thatcher was a liberal.
Well, fortunately for all Americans you're not a citizen and you can't
vote so your opinions are not really relevant, are they?

Cheers!
DanielSan
2008-10-24 16:59:57 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
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4802 Dead
2008-10-24 17:33:20 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income, and certainly not in proportion to
their wealth.
Jeffrey Scott Linder
2008-10-25 11:43:00 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income,
You're right. They pay more. And by the way, corporations don't pay
taxes, they collect them.
Post by 4802 Dead
and certainly not in proportion to
their wealth.
JSL
4802 Dead
2008-10-25 18:41:44 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income,
You're right. They pay more. And by the way, corporations don't pay
taxes, they collect them.
Reduced to empty babble, Jeffy?
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Post by 4802 Dead
and certainly not in proportion to
their wealth.
JSL
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Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of
innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
-- John McCain, in the Sept/Oct 2008 issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the
American Academy of Actuaries.
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Jeffrey Scott Linder
2008-10-26 12:12:09 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income,
You're right. They pay more. And by the way, corporations don't pay
taxes, they collect them.
Reduced to empty babble, Jeffy?
Why don't you post some data to back up you're assertion that the
"wealthy" don't pay taxes in proportion to their income share.

There have been loads of posts to the contrary.

JSL
4802 Dead
2008-10-26 14:22:02 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income,
You're right. They pay more. And by the way, corporations don't pay
taxes, they collect them.
Reduced to empty babble, Jeffy?
Why don't you post some data to back up you're assertion that the
"wealthy" don't pay taxes in proportion to their income share.
You mean you missed the tens of thousands of posts to these groups
made by hundreds of people all making the same point?
Post by Jeffrey Scott Linder
There have been loads of posts to the contrary.
Empty denials by dishonest right wingers like yourself, certainly.
Post by Jeffrey Scott Linder
JSL
--

Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of
innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
-- John McCain, in the Sept/Oct 2008 issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the
American Academy of Actuaries.
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
For the finest in liberal/leftist commentary,
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com
For news feed (free, 10-20 articles a day)
Zepps_News-***@yahoogroups.com
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Jeffrey Scott Linder
2008-10-27 13:16:20 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income,
You're right. They pay more. And by the way, corporations don't pay
taxes, they collect them.
Reduced to empty babble, Jeffy?
Why don't you post some data to back up you're assertion that the
"wealthy" don't pay taxes in proportion to their income share.
You mean you missed the tens of thousands of posts to these groups
made by hundreds of people all making the same point?
They've certainly asserted such but have always missed the next
step...backing up that assertion with real numbers.
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Post by Jeffrey Scott Linder
There have been loads of posts to the contrary.
Empty denials by dishonest right wingers like yourself, certainly.
Empty denials? Really...you must deal with your projection problem.

I'll tell you what Zepp...I'll post some data right here and then you
can follow it up with your evidence.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=7000

Share of Income, Pretax: (Table 1C)
Quintile 2000 2001 2002 2003
1st 4.0 4.2 4.3 4.2
2nd 8.6 9.2 9.3 9.1
3rd 13.5 14.2 14.6 14.4
4th 19.6 20.7 21.0 20.9
5th 54.8 52.4 51.6 52.2

Share of Income, After-tax: (Table 1C)
Quintile 2000 2001 2002 2003
1st 4.9 5.1 5.2 5.0
2nd 9.7 10.3 10.4 10.3
3rd 14.7 15.4 15.7 15.5
4th 20.2 21.3 21.6 21.4
5th 51.3 48.9 48.2 48.8

Share of Total Federal Tax Liabilities (Table 1B)
Quintile 2000 2001 2002 2003
1st 1.1 1.0 1.0 1.0
2nd 4.8 4.9 4.9 4.5
3rd 9.8 10.0 10.2 9.9
4th 17.5 18.5 18.9 18.6
5th 66.6 65.3 64.8 65.7



I'll await your evidence...but I shan't hold my breath.

JSL
chibiabos
2008-10-27 02:06:15 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income,
You're right. They pay more. And by the way, corporations don't pay
taxes, they collect them.
Reduced to empty babble, Jeffy?
Why don't you post some data to back up you're assertion that the
"wealthy" don't pay taxes in proportion to their income share.
Why should anybody post data to someone who flunked third grade English?

-chib
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Jeffrey Scott Linder
2008-10-27 13:17:10 UTC
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:59:57 -0700, DanielSan
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe
our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
Not in proportion to their income,
You're right. They pay more. And by the way, corporations don't pay
taxes, they collect them.
Reduced to empty babble, Jeffy?
Why don't you post some data to back up you're assertion that the
"wealthy" don't pay taxes in proportion to their income share.
Why should anybody post data to someone who flunked third grade English?
You're right...I should never post data for Zepp..he simply ignores
it.

JSL
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-24 21:44:51 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs. When they create fewer jobs it hurts the middle and lower
classes.

That's why Hussein's Robin Hood approach to taxation is a loser.

And it's certanly not "change". It's a return to a very old and a very
bad idea.
DanielSan
2008-10-25 02:09:59 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-25 19:40:25 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no.  "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
DanielSan
2008-10-25 19:41:32 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-25 22:43:17 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
Why should I explain it to you?
DanielSan
2008-10-25 23:15:14 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
Why should I explain it to you?
It's your claim that "jobs" are created by businesses. You back it up.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-26 00:16:27 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
Why should I explain it to you?
It's your claim that "jobs" are created by businesses. You back it up.
Why should I?
DanielSan
2008-10-26 07:02:59 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
Why should I explain it to you?
It's your claim that "jobs" are created by businesses. You back it up.
Why should I?
You mean, you don't want to back up your claims? Why make the claim, then?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-27 23:26:50 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no.  "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
Why should I explain it to you?
It's your claim that "jobs" are created by businesses.  You back it up.
Why should I?
You mean, you don't want to back up your claims?
Why should I back up my claims for you?
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 Why make the claim, then?
Why shouldn't I?
DanielSan
2008-10-27 23:28:44 UTC
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We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
Why should I explain it to you?
It's your claim that "jobs" are created by businesses. You back it up.
Why should I?
You mean, you don't want to back up your claims?
Why should I back up my claims for you?
Post by DanielSan
Why make the claim, then?
Why shouldn't I?
Well, if you want to waste your time and look like an idiot, then I
can't stop you. Feel free to continue spouting your unsupported
malarkey. I'll just point and laugh.
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Bill M
2008-10-25 18:44:12 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
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Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs.
Err, no. "Jobs" are not created by any business.
Um, yes they are.
How do you figure?
Why should I explain it to you?
Because you don't understand!
m***@gmail.com
2008-10-25 02:41:57 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs. When they create fewer jobs it hurts the middle and lower
classes.
That's why Hussein's Robin Hood approach to taxation is a loser.
And it's certanly not "change". It's a return to a very old and a very
bad idea.- Hide quoted text -
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The top 15% owns about 85% of the assets of the United States. They
consume proportionally more and use more services and infrastructure
to maintain their wealth. They should be paying more in taxes.
Instead, the rest of us subsidize them. The whole thrust of the Pugs
since the end of the Civil War has been to preserve and support the
wealthy while whittling away at everyone else.
Steve
2008-10-25 10:27:39 UTC
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Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs. When they create fewer jobs it hurts the middle and lower
classes.
That's why Hussein's Robin Hood approach to taxation is a loser.
And it's certanly not "change". It's a return to a very old and a very
bad idea.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The top 15% owns about 85% of the assets of the United States. They
consume proportionally more and use more services and infrastructure
to maintain their wealth. They should be paying more in taxes.
Instead, the rest of us subsidize them.
The top 15% subsidize you losers....



Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own
highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be
earned.
_Ayn Rand "ATLAS SHRUGGED"
John Baker
2008-10-25 11:44:18 UTC
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:27:39 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs. When they create fewer jobs it hurts the middle and lower
classes.
That's why Hussein's Robin Hood approach to taxation is a loser.
And it's certanly not "change". It's a return to a very old and a very
bad idea.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The top 15% owns about 85% of the assets of the United States. They
consume proportionally more and use more services and infrastructure
to maintain their wealth. They should be paying more in taxes.
Instead, the rest of us subsidize them.
The top 15% subsidize you losers....
Which would include you, Stevie boy. Unless you expect us to believe
that someone with a negative IQ is in the top 15%.
Post by Steve
Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own
highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be
earned.
_Ayn Rand "ATLAS SHRUGGED"
Steve
2008-10-25 11:46:11 UTC
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Post by John Baker
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:27:39 -0400, Steve
Post by Steve
Post by m***@gmail.com
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
The top 25% pay 85% of the taxes. That top 25% include small business
owners. When small business has less money to invest they create fewer
jobs. When they create fewer jobs it hurts the middle and lower
classes.
That's why Hussein's Robin Hood approach to taxation is a loser.
And it's certanly not "change". It's a return to a very old and a very
bad idea.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The top 15% owns about 85% of the assets of the United States. They
consume proportionally more and use more services and infrastructure
to maintain their wealth. They should be paying more in taxes.
Instead, the rest of us subsidize them.
The top 15% subsidize you losers....
Which would include you, Stevie boy. Unless you expect us to believe
that someone with a negative IQ is in the top 15%.
<LOL> I've never claimed to be in the top 15%..

Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own
highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be
earned.
_Ayn Rand "ATLAS SHRUGGED"
Phlip
2008-10-25 14:01:46 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
...I thought it was major corporations and the extremely wealthy who
already pay most of the taxes.
You have been listening to the wrong demagogues. Corporate welfare,
beginning with huge customize tax cuts for individual companies, convert any
neglible tax rate into actual subsidies for big companies.

It's the small companies who suffer under huge tax rates. The big companies
don't like upstart competition interfering with their locked-in distribution
channels for their crappy products.
j***@gmail.com
2008-10-25 21:55:00 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
 a.. HIGH TAXES
 Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes.  We believe our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year.  Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
Any reason at all why you call Barack Obama "Hussein", racist sack of
shit?
Bill M
2008-10-25 18:46:24 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
We Oppose Obama
a.. HIGH TAXES
Barack Obama has announced his support for higher taxes. We believe
our
next President must stand for lower taxes and less wasteful government
spending.
Obama is proposing tax CUTS for everyone making less than $250,000 a
year. Only the very wealthy would see a significant tax increase.
Hussein proposes increasing taxes on small business owners who already
pay most of the taxes AND provide most of the jobs in this country.
Any reason at all why you call Barack Obama "Hussein", racist sack of
shit?

Because he can't deal with a guy that is far more intelligent than him!
Budikka666
2008-10-29 21:16:07 UTC
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The "A Vote for Science" blog at www.scienceblogs.com:
http://tinyurl.com/5rvonf
reports that "The Nobel Laureates for Obama effort just sent me an
updated letter with an additional 11 names bringing the total to 76
Nobel laureates in science endorsing Obama. That completely eclipses
the previous record of 47 endorsing Kerry and it is more than have
ever endorsed anything in history."

Budikka
duke
2008-10-29 21:32:33 UTC
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Post by Budikka666
http://tinyurl.com/5rvonf
reports that "The Nobel Laureates for Obama effort just sent me an
updated letter with an additional 11 names bringing the total to 76
Nobel laureates in science endorsing Obama. That completely eclipses
the previous record of 47 endorsing Kerry and it is more than have
ever endorsed anything in history."
Ok, so they support abortion.

The Dukester, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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johac
2008-10-30 04:59:28 UTC
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In article
Post by Budikka666
http://tinyurl.com/5rvonf
reports that "The Nobel Laureates for Obama effort just sent me an
updated letter with an additional 11 names bringing the total to 76
Nobel laureates in science endorsing Obama. That completely eclipses
the previous record of 47 endorsing Kerry and it is more than have
ever endorsed anything in history."
Now I'm waiting for some idiot to make an absurd comment about "elites".
Post by Budikka666
Budikka
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John #1782
DanielSan
2008-10-31 12:19:55 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:26:47 -0400, Steve
a collectivist is someone who believes that the
group is more important than the individual and that the individual
should subjugate himself to the group
Oh, you mean like the founders who set up an attempt to
form a "more perfect union", CanyonLoon?
So that must be why all the Constitution's enumerated rights are
granted to INDIVIDUALS, eh, fuckwit?
Next?
And what about the rights that are NOT enumerated?
What would those "rights" be, Daniel?
The "Right to Health Care", perhaps? The "Right to an Education"?
The "Right to a Job"? The "Right to a Paid Vacation"?
Can you tell us what they are?
*headdesk*
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* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-31 14:59:35 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:26:47 -0400, Steve
a collectivist is someone who believes that the
group is more important than the individual and that the individual
should subjugate himself to the group
Oh, you mean like the founders who set up an attempt to
form a "more perfect union", CanyonLoon?
So that must be why all the Constitution's enumerated rights are
granted to INDIVIDUALS, eh, fuckwit?
Next?
And what about the rights that are NOT enumerated?
What would those "rights" be, Daniel?
The "Right to Health Care", perhaps? The "Right to an Education"?
The "Right to a Job"? The "Right to a Paid Vacation"?
Can you tell us what they are?
*headdesk*
Wow, are you a moron or something?

Oh.


Right.


You're an atheist.


Silly me.
DanielSan
2008-11-01 00:42:08 UTC
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Post by DanielSan
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:26:47 -0400, Steve
a collectivist is someone who believes that the
group is more important than the individual and that the individual
should subjugate himself to the group
Oh, you mean like the founders who set up an attempt to
form a "more perfect union", CanyonLoon?
So that must be why all the Constitution's enumerated rights are
granted to INDIVIDUALS, eh, fuckwit?
Next?
And what about the rights that are NOT enumerated?
What would those "rights" be, Daniel?
The "Right to Health Care", perhaps? The "Right to an Education"?
The "Right to a Job"? The "Right to a Paid Vacation"?
Can you tell us what they are?
*headdesk*
Wow, are you a moron or something?
Oh.
Right.
You're an atheist.
Silly me.
Hey, you're the one that doesn't know what an non-enumerated right is,
not I. But, then again, I guess you don't know what the 9th Amendment
means.
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* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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Kurt Nicklas
2008-11-01 00:55:38 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Wow, are you a moron or something?
Oh.
Right.
You're an atheist.
Silly me.
Hey, you're the one that doesn't know what an non-enumerated right is,
not I.
Unproven assertion duly noted.
Post by DanielSan
But, then again, I guess you don't know what the 9th Amendment
means.
See above.
DanielSan
2008-11-01 01:43:02 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Wow, are you a moron or something?
Oh.
Right.
You're an atheist.
Silly me.
Hey, you're the one that doesn't know what an non-enumerated right is,
not I.
Unproven assertion duly noted.
Then why did you ask me?
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
But, then again, I guess you don't know what the 9th Amendment
means.
See above.
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* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
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Kurt Nicklas
2008-11-01 10:29:06 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Hey, you're the one that doesn't know what an non-enumerated right is,
not I.
Unproven assertion duly noted.
Then why did you ask me?
Did I ask you want a non-enumerated right is?

LOL

Just what do you think I asked you??
DanielSan
2008-11-01 14:59:27 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by DanielSan
Hey, you're the one that doesn't know what an non-enumerated right is,
not I.
Unproven assertion duly noted.
Then why did you ask me?
Did I ask you want a non-enumerated right is?
Yes.
Post by Kurt Nicklas
LOL
Just what do you think I asked you??
This is what you asked:

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What would those "rights" be, Daniel?

The "Right to Health Care", perhaps? The "Right to an Education"?
The "Right to a Job"? The "Right to a Paid Vacation"?

Can you tell us what they are?
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You were asking what those non-enumerated rights were and came up with
some "examples".
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and *
* was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much *
* that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very *
* bad weekend for them. *
******************************************************
Jorge Duhbya Arbusto, POTUS (Retired)
2008-11-01 04:43:12 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:26:47 -0400, Steve
a collectivist is someone who believes that the
group is more important than the individual and that the
individual should subjugate himself to the group
Oh, you mean like the founders who set up an attempt to
form a "more perfect union", CanyonLoon?
So that must be why all the Constitution's enumerated rights are
granted to INDIVIDUALS, eh, fuckwit?
Next?
And what about the rights that are NOT enumerated?
What would those "rights" be, Daniel?
The "Right to Health Care", perhaps? The "Right to an Education"?
The "Right to a Job"? The "Right to a Paid Vacation"?
Can you tell us what they are?
Here they are, Kunt:

Ninth Amendment - Unenumerated Rights


Amendment Text | Annotations
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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