Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-07 22:35:51 UTC
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(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
2008-10-07 23:18:29 UTC
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT),
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And in any case, ALL **babies* have been BORN.
And *since* ALL**babies**, by definition, *have* been BORN,
here are the FACTS! ---
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion, just like aspirin, is nothing more than a valuable
REMEDY for an unwanted medical condition. Folks who are
Pro-Choice are not "pro-abortion" any more than there are any
such people as those who are "pro-aspirin." People who are
Pro-Choice regarding abortion defend the right of all girls and
women to have ready, unfettered, and legal ACCESS to that
remedy. And they would defend the right of girls and women
to have no impairments to ACCESS to the right to full gestation,
if *that* were their choice -- if there were any loons running
around seeking to deprive them of that option. Thus, Pro-
Choicers are sometimes misperceived as favoring one option
over the other. They do not. They support both options
EQUALLY. The misperception happens because the remedy of
abortion is the *only* one of the two options that has a crowd
of hateful, screeching, and ignorant bigots opposing it.
ANTI-Choice louts irrationally seek to impose immense
hardship upon more than a million girls and women per year,
in the USA, by again FORCING them to gestate to term,
against their will, as was the case in the Pre-Roe vs. Wade
Dark Ages. A very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE. Such
a scenario would cause the loss of HUGE ranges of future
opportunities to those girls and women, unless they were
able to afford travel to FREE locations where abortion was
still safe, legal and unfettered. ANTI-Choicers are sociopaths,
and are totally without excuse. (And to date, NO Anti-Choicer
or RRR Cultist (usually the same people) has ever yet been
able to refute ANY of the points made in this article. Which
shows how*monumentally* morally-bankrupt they truly are.)
To see a grave and long-term DANGER to America, if McCain
wins the upcoming election, please read these; in each case
the components of the URLS follow, in case one or both get
shortened in posting.) ---
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
Abortions obtained by girls and women terminate three of
the four of the reproductive-process entities (RPEs): zygotes,
embryoes & fetuses, up until the 7th month** of gestation)
which have ALL of these characteristics in common with the
first stage -- gametes (sperm and ova):
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend the later three stages of the reproductive
process but NOT the Stage One entities (gametes).
** (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply. (But by then, the ONLY abortions
being performed are for medical emergencies.) In fact, the
procedure that Anti-Choicers LYINGLY call "partial-birth
abortion" NEVER was. It is the MID-term procedure whose
REAL name is ID&E: intact Dilation and Extraction. Which
was almost always done around 4-1/2 MONTHS *before*
birth typically occurs. Anti-Choicers are almost universally
DEVOID of honest. And usually, too, of much in the way
of intelligence.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans; 83% of them:
-- In NO way condemns abortion.
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion.
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of RPEs as people.
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That it regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the import-
ance it ascribes to BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and
first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths.
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization.
-- Thus making gametes (the Stage One RPEs) *equal*
in worth to the other three stages.
-- More than a QUADRILLION gametes are electively
aborted DAILY, worldwide... by *men.* All of
which had been *potential* and unique people.
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately.
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels.
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision.
-- Most women have NO regrets afterward.
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities to
PRE-ill-timed pregnancy levels. Immediately!
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy.
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16.
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term.
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later.
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out,
and those losing the chance to pursue many of the
future opportunities that they formerly had had.
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation.
-- Avoid bringing a child into a less-loving home.
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment.
-- Wait until timing is better before having children.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home.
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods.
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals.
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful.
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions.
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973.
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them.
-- Between 1973 and 2008, 45 million abortions have been done.
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better .
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 had reached 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world, despite temporary fluctuations.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001, and the current gas-prices crunch. And a strong
U.S. economy benefits the entire world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockupRemembering babies lost through abortion
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And in any case, ALL **babies* have been BORN.
And *since* ALL**babies**, by definition, *have* been BORN,
here are the FACTS! ---
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion, just like aspirin, is nothing more than a valuable
REMEDY for an unwanted medical condition. Folks who are
Pro-Choice are not "pro-abortion" any more than there are any
such people as those who are "pro-aspirin." People who are
Pro-Choice regarding abortion defend the right of all girls and
women to have ready, unfettered, and legal ACCESS to that
remedy. And they would defend the right of girls and women
to have no impairments to ACCESS to the right to full gestation,
if *that* were their choice -- if there were any loons running
around seeking to deprive them of that option. Thus, Pro-
Choicers are sometimes misperceived as favoring one option
over the other. They do not. They support both options
EQUALLY. The misperception happens because the remedy of
abortion is the *only* one of the two options that has a crowd
of hateful, screeching, and ignorant bigots opposing it.
ANTI-Choice louts irrationally seek to impose immense
hardship upon more than a million girls and women per year,
in the USA, by again FORCING them to gestate to term,
against their will, as was the case in the Pre-Roe vs. Wade
Dark Ages. A very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE. Such
a scenario would cause the loss of HUGE ranges of future
opportunities to those girls and women, unless they were
able to afford travel to FREE locations where abortion was
still safe, legal and unfettered. ANTI-Choicers are sociopaths,
and are totally without excuse. (And to date, NO Anti-Choicer
or RRR Cultist (usually the same people) has ever yet been
able to refute ANY of the points made in this article. Which
shows how*monumentally* morally-bankrupt they truly are.)
To see a grave and long-term DANGER to America, if McCain
wins the upcoming election, please read these; in each case
the components of the URLS follow, in case one or both get
shortened in posting.) ---
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
Abortions obtained by girls and women terminate three of
the four of the reproductive-process entities (RPEs): zygotes,
embryoes & fetuses, up until the 7th month** of gestation)
which have ALL of these characteristics in common with the
first stage -- gametes (sperm and ova):
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend the later three stages of the reproductive
process but NOT the Stage One entities (gametes).
** (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply. (But by then, the ONLY abortions
being performed are for medical emergencies.) In fact, the
procedure that Anti-Choicers LYINGLY call "partial-birth
abortion" NEVER was. It is the MID-term procedure whose
REAL name is ID&E: intact Dilation and Extraction. Which
was almost always done around 4-1/2 MONTHS *before*
birth typically occurs. Anti-Choicers are almost universally
DEVOID of honest. And usually, too, of much in the way
of intelligence.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans; 83% of them:
-- In NO way condemns abortion.
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion.
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of RPEs as people.
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That it regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the import-
ance it ascribes to BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and
first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths.
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization.
-- Thus making gametes (the Stage One RPEs) *equal*
in worth to the other three stages.
-- More than a QUADRILLION gametes are electively
aborted DAILY, worldwide... by *men.* All of
which had been *potential* and unique people.
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately.
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels.
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision.
-- Most women have NO regrets afterward.
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities to
PRE-ill-timed pregnancy levels. Immediately!
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy.
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16.
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term.
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later.
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out,
and those losing the chance to pursue many of the
future opportunities that they formerly had had.
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation.
-- Avoid bringing a child into a less-loving home.
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment.
-- Wait until timing is better before having children.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home.
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods.
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals.
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful.
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions.
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973.
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them.
-- Between 1973 and 2008, 45 million abortions have been done.
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better .
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 had reached 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world, despite temporary fluctuations.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001, and the current gas-prices crunch. And a strong
U.S. economy benefits the entire world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-07 23:45:43 UTC
On Oct 7, 7:18 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the
look like?
Like this?
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Or like this?
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If you think these are "constructed" then I want you to tell me what
a the results of a saline abortion would look like. Can you do that?
Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT),
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockup
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term abortion REALLYOn Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:35:51 -0700 (PDT),
Remembering babies lost through abortion
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
look like?
Like this?
Loading Image...
Or like this?
Loading Image...
If you think these are "constructed" then I want you to tell me what
a the results of a saline abortion would look like. Can you do that?
(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
2008-10-07 23:53:48 UTC
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT),
Any more than cake batter is a cake. And because personal
decisions made by other people are NONE of my business.
And -- NOT that it makes one whit of difference -- the
ONLY "late-term" (third-trimester) abortions are performed
as medical emergencies because NO women would wait that
long to have an elective one. And, per JAMA, there are only
500 to 600 of THOSE done annually.
One thing about ANTI-Choicers: Besides being hateful and
busybodyish control freaks, they all are LOONY as hell.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
REALLY look like?
I couldn't care less, because NO mere RPEs are people.Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockup
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term abortion Remembering babies lost through abortion.
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
REALLY look like?
Any more than cake batter is a cake. And because personal
decisions made by other people are NONE of my business.
And -- NOT that it makes one whit of difference -- the
ONLY "late-term" (third-trimester) abortions are performed
as medical emergencies because NO women would wait that
long to have an elective one. And, per JAMA, there are only
500 to 600 of THOSE done annually.
One thing about ANTI-Choicers: Besides being hateful and
busybodyish control freaks, they all are LOONY as hell.
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-08 00:01:48 UTC
On Oct 7, 7:53 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the
what
seems to make you so squeemish is that it looks JUST LIKE a real
human being?
Sort of like this:
Loading Image...
Or like this:
http://www.abortionno.org/
Does that look like a fake? Tough to look at, isn't it?
Yet, you APPROVE of this sort of stuff, don't you?
Yes, you do.......
Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT),
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
So what DOES the result of an abortion look like? Is it possible thatOn Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT),
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
REALLY look like?
I couldn't care less, because NO mere RPEs are people.Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockup
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term abortion Remembering babies lost through abortion.
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
REALLY look like?
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
what
seems to make you so squeemish is that it looks JUST LIKE a real
human being?
Sort of like this:
Loading Image...
Or like this:
http://www.abortionno.org/
Does that look like a fake? Tough to look at, isn't it?
Yet, you APPROVE of this sort of stuff, don't you?
Yes, you do.......
(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
2008-10-08 00:24:58 UTC
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:01:48 -0700 (PDT),
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
RPE's : People :: Acorns : Oak Trees
squeamish. Nor has abortion -- ever.
being, since ALL **human beings** have been BORN.
build modern abortion clinics in EVERY part of the country that
doesn't have them within reasonable driving distance, and staff
them with highly-qualified people. That would be my TOP priority
for being philanthropical. I can assure you -- THAT *is* the FIRST
thing I would do with the money!
thinking that there is *anything* wrong with the hugely-valuable
and beneficial REMEDY of abortion. Which enables no fewer than
57,000,000 girls and women, worldwide, every year, to put their
lives BACK on track, and have their full ranges of future opportun-
ities RESTORED to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels.
You obviously have a LOT to learn about the REMEDY of
abortion. Here are the FACTS that you'll NEVER hear from the
LIARS of the RRR Cult. ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion, just like aspirin, is nothing more than a valuable
REMEDY for an unwanted medical condition. Folks who are
Pro-Choice are not "pro-abortion" any more than there are any
such people as those who are "pro-aspirin." People who are
Pro-Choice regarding abortion defend the right of all girls and
women to have ready, unfettered, and legal ACCESS to that
remedy. And they would defend the right of girls and women
to have no impairments to ACCESS to the right to full gestation,
if *that* were their choice -- if there were any loons running
around seeking to deprive them of that option. Thus, Pro-
Choicers are sometimes misperceived as favoring one option
over the other. They do not. They support both options
EQUALLY. The misperception happens because the remedy of
abortion is the *only* one of the two options that has a crowd
of hateful, screeching, and ignorant bigots opposing it.
ANTI-Choice louts irrationally seek to impose immense
hardship upon more than a million girls and women per year,
in the USA, by again FORCING them to gestate to term,
against their will, as was the case in the Pre-Roe vs. Wade
Dark Ages. A very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE. Such
a scenario would cause the loss of HUGE ranges of future
opportunities to those girls and women, unless they were
able to afford travel to FREE locations where abortion was
still safe, legal and unfettered. ANTI-Choicers are sociopaths,
and are totally without excuse. (And to date, NO Anti-Choicer
or RRR Cultist (usually the same people) has ever yet been
able to refute ANY of the points made in this article. Which
shows how*monumentally* morally-bankrupt they truly are.)
To see a grave and long-term DANGER to America, if McCain
wins the upcoming election, please read these; in each case
the components of the URLS follow, in case one or both get
shortened in posting.) ---
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
Abortions obtained by girls and women terminate three of
the four of the reproductive-process entities (RPEs): zygotes,
embryoes & fetuses, up until the 7th month** of gestation)
which have ALL of these characteristics in common with the
first stage -- gametes (sperm and ova):
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend the later three stages of the reproductive
process but NOT the Stage One entities (gametes).
** (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply. (But by then, the ONLY abortions
being performed are for medical emergencies.) In fact, the
procedure that Anti-Choicers LYINGLY call "partial-birth
abortion" NEVER was. It is the MID-term procedure whose
REAL name is ID&E: intact Dilation and Extraction. Which
was almost always done around 4-1/2 MONTHS *before*
birth typically occurs. Anti-Choicers are almost universally
DEVOID of honest. And usually, too, of much in the way
of intelligence.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans; 83% of them:
-- In NO way condemns abortion.
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion.
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of RPEs as people.
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That it regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the import-
ance it ascribes to BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and
first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths.
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization.
-- Thus making gametes (the Stage One RPEs) *equal*
in worth to the other three stages.
-- More than a QUADRILLION gametes are electively
aborted DAILY, worldwide... by *men.* All of
which had been *potential* and unique people.
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately.
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels.
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision.
-- Most women have NO regrets afterward.
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities to
PRE-ill-timed pregnancy levels. Immediately!
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy.
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16.
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term.
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later.
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out,
and those losing the chance to pursue many of the
future opportunities that they formerly had had.
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation.
-- Avoid bringing a child into a less-loving home.
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment.
-- Wait until timing is better before having children.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home.
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods.
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals.
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful.
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions.
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973.
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them.
-- Between 1973 and 2008, 45 million abortions have been done.
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better .
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 had reached 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world, despite temporary fluctuations.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001, and the current gas-prices crunch. And a strong
U.S. economy benefits the entire world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
Who cares? No one with a working brain. PRIOR to person-Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
So what DOES the result of an abortion look like? "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
abortion REALLY look like?
I couldn't care less, because NO mere RPEs are people.Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockup
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term Remembering babies lost through abortion.
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
abortion REALLY look like?
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
RPE's : People :: Acorns : Oak Trees
Is it possible that what seems to make you so squeemish...
Dissecting a frog in science class as a kid didn't make mesqueamish. Nor has abortion -- ever.
... is that it looks JUST LIKE a real human being?
It doesn't. I looks like a mockup of an RPE. NOT a humanbeing, since ALL **human beings** have been BORN.
Does that look like a fake?
Yep. But even if it weren't -- NO biggie.Tough to look at, isn't it?
NOT in the least! In fact, if I had a couple of billion dollars, I'dbuild modern abortion clinics in EVERY part of the country that
doesn't have them within reasonable driving distance, and staff
them with highly-qualified people. That would be my TOP priority
for being philanthropical. I can assure you -- THAT *is* the FIRST
thing I would do with the money!
Yet, you APPROVE of this sort of stuff, don't you?
I *disapprove* heartily of attempts to CON the GULLIBLE intothinking that there is *anything* wrong with the hugely-valuable
and beneficial REMEDY of abortion. Which enables no fewer than
57,000,000 girls and women, worldwide, every year, to put their
lives BACK on track, and have their full ranges of future opportun-
ities RESTORED to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels.
You obviously have a LOT to learn about the REMEDY of
abortion. Here are the FACTS that you'll NEVER hear from the
LIARS of the RRR Cult. ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion, just like aspirin, is nothing more than a valuable
REMEDY for an unwanted medical condition. Folks who are
Pro-Choice are not "pro-abortion" any more than there are any
such people as those who are "pro-aspirin." People who are
Pro-Choice regarding abortion defend the right of all girls and
women to have ready, unfettered, and legal ACCESS to that
remedy. And they would defend the right of girls and women
to have no impairments to ACCESS to the right to full gestation,
if *that* were their choice -- if there were any loons running
around seeking to deprive them of that option. Thus, Pro-
Choicers are sometimes misperceived as favoring one option
over the other. They do not. They support both options
EQUALLY. The misperception happens because the remedy of
abortion is the *only* one of the two options that has a crowd
of hateful, screeching, and ignorant bigots opposing it.
ANTI-Choice louts irrationally seek to impose immense
hardship upon more than a million girls and women per year,
in the USA, by again FORCING them to gestate to term,
against their will, as was the case in the Pre-Roe vs. Wade
Dark Ages. A very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE. Such
a scenario would cause the loss of HUGE ranges of future
opportunities to those girls and women, unless they were
able to afford travel to FREE locations where abortion was
still safe, legal and unfettered. ANTI-Choicers are sociopaths,
and are totally without excuse. (And to date, NO Anti-Choicer
or RRR Cultist (usually the same people) has ever yet been
able to refute ANY of the points made in this article. Which
shows how*monumentally* morally-bankrupt they truly are.)
To see a grave and long-term DANGER to America, if McCain
wins the upcoming election, please read these; in each case
the components of the URLS follow, in case one or both get
shortened in posting.) ---
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
Abortions obtained by girls and women terminate three of
the four of the reproductive-process entities (RPEs): zygotes,
embryoes & fetuses, up until the 7th month** of gestation)
which have ALL of these characteristics in common with the
first stage -- gametes (sperm and ova):
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend the later three stages of the reproductive
process but NOT the Stage One entities (gametes).
** (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply. (But by then, the ONLY abortions
being performed are for medical emergencies.) In fact, the
procedure that Anti-Choicers LYINGLY call "partial-birth
abortion" NEVER was. It is the MID-term procedure whose
REAL name is ID&E: intact Dilation and Extraction. Which
was almost always done around 4-1/2 MONTHS *before*
birth typically occurs. Anti-Choicers are almost universally
DEVOID of honest. And usually, too, of much in the way
of intelligence.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans; 83% of them:
-- In NO way condemns abortion.
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion.
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of RPEs as people.
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That it regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the import-
ance it ascribes to BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and
first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths.
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization.
-- Thus making gametes (the Stage One RPEs) *equal*
in worth to the other three stages.
-- More than a QUADRILLION gametes are electively
aborted DAILY, worldwide... by *men.* All of
which had been *potential* and unique people.
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately.
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels.
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision.
-- Most women have NO regrets afterward.
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities to
PRE-ill-timed pregnancy levels. Immediately!
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy.
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16.
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term.
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later.
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out,
and those losing the chance to pursue many of the
future opportunities that they formerly had had.
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation.
-- Avoid bringing a child into a less-loving home.
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment.
-- Wait until timing is better before having children.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home.
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods.
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals.
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful.
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions.
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973.
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them.
-- Between 1973 and 2008, 45 million abortions have been done.
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better .
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 had reached 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world, despite temporary fluctuations.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001, and the current gas-prices crunch. And a strong
U.S. economy benefits the entire world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-08 00:32:20 UTC
On Oct 7, 8:24 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the
Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:01:48 -0700 (PDT),
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
What is "personhood"?On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:01:48 -0700 (PDT),
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
Who cares? No one with a working brain. PRIOR to person-Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
So what DOES the result of an abortion look like? "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
abortion REALLY look like?
I couldn't care less, because NO mere RPEs are people.Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockup
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term Remembering babies lost through abortion.
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
abortion REALLY look like?
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
2008-10-08 00:45:25 UTC
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:32:20 -0700 (PDT),
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
When PERSONHOOD **Begins**
That's abjectly ignorant bullcrap!
(1) Human life is a CONTINUUM. It started just ONCE,
several million years ago, at the moment the first
organism existed that had *human* DNA. It has
been self-sustaining ever since, with every single
entity in it, from skin cells to gametes to already-
born PEOPLE (i.e., *human beings*) being ALIVE.
(2) Try and combine a DEAD sperm with a DEAD egg
and see what you get. Life does NOT begin at
fertilization, and in light of Point #1, the word
"conception" as commonly used in this regard, is
total nonsense.
(3) ALL FOUR reproductive-process entities (RPEs;
gametes, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses) are:
-- Human
-- Alive
-- Unique
-- *Potential* people
-- indispensable to all births
... and more than a QUADRILLION such potential
people are electively aborted *daily*, worldwide --
by men. (While the hateful louses of ANTI-Choice
hypocritically look the other way and whistle a tune.)
(4) PERSONHOOD -- that point at which a human entity
becomes defensible -- begins at BIRTH. Even the
Bible makes that *very* clear:
-- The Bible NEVER defends RPEs as PEOPLE.
-- ALL human life the Bible defends has/had been BORN.
-- The Bible make it very CLEAR that personhood begins
at BIRTH, in is passages that emphasize the importance
of ---
-- BIRTHrights
-- First-BORNS
-- BIRTH order.
So -- a fetus (particularly an UNwanted one that a woman
has NO desire to gestate -- does NOT qualify. For anything.
And as I said before, intelligent people usually should KNOW
better than to lend any support to loathsome, hateful and bigoted
agendas of ignorant sociopaths who seek to do such things as
FORCE girls and women to gestate UNwanted pregnancies to term
against their will.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
See SIG, below, for the answer.Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Who cares? No one with a working brain. PRIOR to person-
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
RPE's : People :: Acorns : Oak Trees
What is "personhood"?Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
abortion REALLY look like?
I couldn't care less, because NO mere RPEs are people.
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
So what DOES the result of an abortion look like?Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockup
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term Remembering babies lost through abortion.
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
abortion REALLY look like?
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
RPE's : People :: Acorns : Oak Trees
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
When PERSONHOOD **Begins**
...a fetus [is] a HUMAN LIFE. Life starts at conception,
not at birth.
To which I responded with the FACTS:not at birth.
That's abjectly ignorant bullcrap!
(1) Human life is a CONTINUUM. It started just ONCE,
several million years ago, at the moment the first
organism existed that had *human* DNA. It has
been self-sustaining ever since, with every single
entity in it, from skin cells to gametes to already-
born PEOPLE (i.e., *human beings*) being ALIVE.
(2) Try and combine a DEAD sperm with a DEAD egg
and see what you get. Life does NOT begin at
fertilization, and in light of Point #1, the word
"conception" as commonly used in this regard, is
total nonsense.
(3) ALL FOUR reproductive-process entities (RPEs;
gametes, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses) are:
-- Human
-- Alive
-- Unique
-- *Potential* people
-- indispensable to all births
... and more than a QUADRILLION such potential
people are electively aborted *daily*, worldwide --
by men. (While the hateful louses of ANTI-Choice
hypocritically look the other way and whistle a tune.)
(4) PERSONHOOD -- that point at which a human entity
becomes defensible -- begins at BIRTH. Even the
Bible makes that *very* clear:
-- The Bible NEVER defends RPEs as PEOPLE.
-- ALL human life the Bible defends has/had been BORN.
-- The Bible make it very CLEAR that personhood begins
at BIRTH, in is passages that emphasize the importance
of ---
-- BIRTHrights
-- First-BORNS
-- BIRTH order.
So -- a fetus (particularly an UNwanted one that a woman
has NO desire to gestate -- does NOT qualify. For anything.
And as I said before, intelligent people usually should KNOW
better than to lend any support to loathsome, hateful and bigoted
agendas of ignorant sociopaths who seek to do such things as
FORCE girls and women to gestate UNwanted pregnancies to term
against their will.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-08 00:37:17 UTC
Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT),
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
So what DOES the result of an abortion look like? Is it possible thatOn Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT),
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
REALLY look like?
I couldn't care less, because NO mere RPEs are people.Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term abortionPost by Kurt Nicklas
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockupRemembering babies lost through abortion.
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
REALLY look like?
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
what
seems to make you so squeemish is that it looks JUST LIKE a real
human being?
Sort of like this:
http://www.policyofliberty.net/gif/AbortionSalt.gif
Or like this:
http://www.abortionno.org/
Does that look like a fake? Tough to look at, isn't it?
Yet, you APPROVE of this sort of stuff, don't you?
Yes, you do.......
(¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
2008-10-08 00:47:02 UTC
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:37:17 -0700 (PDT),
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
RPE's : People :: Acorns : Oak Trees
squeamish. Nor has abortion -- ever.
being, since ALL **human beings** have been BORN.
build modern abortion clinics in EVERY part of the country that
doesn't have them within reasonable driving distance, and staff
them with highly-qualified people. That would be my TOP priority
for being philanthropical. I can assure you -- THAT *is* the FIRST
thing I would do with the money!
thinking that there is *anything* wrong with the hugely-valuable
and beneficial REMEDY of abortion. Which enables no fewer than
57,000,000 girls and women, worldwide, every year, to put their
lives BACK on track, and have their full ranges of future opportun-
ities RESTORED to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels.
You obviously have a LOT to learn about the REMEDY of
abortion. Here are the FACTS that you'll NEVER hear from the
LIARS of the RRR Cult. ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion, just like aspirin, is nothing more than a valuable
REMEDY for an unwanted medical condition. Folks who are
Pro-Choice are not "pro-abortion" any more than there are any
such people as those who are "pro-aspirin." People who are
Pro-Choice regarding abortion defend the right of all girls and
women to have ready, unfettered, and legal ACCESS to that
remedy. And they would defend the right of girls and women
to have no impairments to ACCESS to the right to full gestation,
if *that* were their choice -- if there were any loons running
around seeking to deprive them of that option. Thus, Pro-
Choicers are sometimes misperceived as favoring one option
over the other. They do not. They support both options
EQUALLY. The misperception happens because the remedy of
abortion is the *only* one of the two options that has a crowd
of hateful, screeching, and ignorant bigots opposing it.
ANTI-Choice louts irrationally seek to impose immense
hardship upon more than a million girls and women per year,
in the USA, by again FORCING them to gestate to term,
against their will, as was the case in the Pre-Roe vs. Wade
Dark Ages. A very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE. Such
a scenario would cause the loss of HUGE ranges of future
opportunities to those girls and women, unless they were
able to afford travel to FREE locations where abortion was
still safe, legal and unfettered. ANTI-Choicers are sociopaths,
and are totally without excuse. (And to date, NO Anti-Choicer
or RRR Cultist (usually the same people) has ever yet been
able to refute ANY of the points made in this article. Which
shows how*monumentally* morally-bankrupt they truly are.)
To see a grave and long-term DANGER to America, if McCain
wins the upcoming election, please read these; in each case
the components of the URLS follow, in case one or both get
shortened in posting.) ---
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
Abortions obtained by girls and women terminate three of
the four of the reproductive-process entities (RPEs): zygotes,
embryoes & fetuses, up until the 7th month** of gestation)
which have ALL of these characteristics in common with the
first stage -- gametes (sperm and ova):
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend the later three stages of the reproductive
process but NOT the Stage One entities (gametes).
** (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply. (But by then, the ONLY abortions
being performed are for medical emergencies.) In fact, the
procedure that Anti-Choicers LYINGLY call "partial-birth
abortion" NEVER was. It is the MID-term procedure whose
REAL name is ID&E: intact Dilation and Extraction. Which
was almost always done around 4-1/2 MONTHS *before*
birth typically occurs. Anti-Choicers are almost universally
DEVOID of honest. And usually, too, of much in the way
of intelligence.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans; 83% of them:
-- In NO way condemns abortion.
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion.
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of RPEs as people.
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That it regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the import-
ance it ascribes to BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and
first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths.
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization.
-- Thus making gametes (the Stage One RPEs) *equal*
in worth to the other three stages.
-- More than a QUADRILLION gametes are electively
aborted DAILY, worldwide... by *men.* All of
which had been *potential* and unique people.
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately.
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels.
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision.
-- Most women have NO regrets afterward.
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities to
PRE-ill-timed pregnancy levels. Immediately!
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy.
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16.
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term.
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later.
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out,
and those losing the chance to pursue many of the
future opportunities that they formerly had had.
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation.
-- Avoid bringing a child into a less-loving home.
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment.
-- Wait until timing is better before having children.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home.
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods.
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals.
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful.
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions.
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973.
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them.
-- Between 1973 and 2008, 45 million abortions have been done.
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better .
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 had reached 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world, despite temporary fluctuations.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001, and the current gas-prices crunch. And a strong
U.S. economy benefits the entire world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
Who cares? No one with a working brain. PRIOR to person-Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
So what DOES the result of an abortion look like? "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's
abortion REALLY look like?
I couldn't care less, because NO mere RPEs are people.Post by (¯`·.žCraig Chiltonž.·Ž¯) -- NO FACTS Support the RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas!
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like the lamely-constructed plastic mockup
that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
And just what do YOU think the results of a late-term Remembering babies lost through abortion.
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.that it almost surely IS. Constructed to be a SCAM to *con*
GULLIBLE people of low intellect upon whom the RRR Cult
depends upon for its financing and very existence.
abortion REALLY look like?
Any more than cake batter is a cake.
hood, there are only mere RPEs -- reproductive-process entities.
RPE's : People :: Acorns : Oak Trees
Is it possible that what seems to make you so squeemish...
Dissecting a frog in science class as a kid didn't make mesqueamish. Nor has abortion -- ever.
... is that it looks JUST LIKE a real human being?
It doesn't. I looks like a mockup of an RPE. NOT a humanbeing, since ALL **human beings** have been BORN.
Does that look like a fake?
Yep. But even if it weren't -- NO biggie.Tough to look at, isn't it?
NOT in the least! In fact, if I had a couple of billion dollars, I'dbuild modern abortion clinics in EVERY part of the country that
doesn't have them within reasonable driving distance, and staff
them with highly-qualified people. That would be my TOP priority
for being philanthropical. I can assure you -- THAT *is* the FIRST
thing I would do with the money!
Yet, you APPROVE of this sort of stuff, don't you?
I *disapprove* heartily of attempts to CON the GULLIBLE intothinking that there is *anything* wrong with the hugely-valuable
and beneficial REMEDY of abortion. Which enables no fewer than
57,000,000 girls and women, worldwide, every year, to put their
lives BACK on track, and have their full ranges of future opportun-
ities RESTORED to PRE-ill-timed-pregnancy levels.
You obviously have a LOT to learn about the REMEDY of
abortion. Here are the FACTS that you'll NEVER hear from the
LIARS of the RRR Cult. ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion, just like aspirin, is nothing more than a valuable
REMEDY for an unwanted medical condition. Folks who are
Pro-Choice are not "pro-abortion" any more than there are any
such people as those who are "pro-aspirin." People who are
Pro-Choice regarding abortion defend the right of all girls and
women to have ready, unfettered, and legal ACCESS to that
remedy. And they would defend the right of girls and women
to have no impairments to ACCESS to the right to full gestation,
if *that* were their choice -- if there were any loons running
around seeking to deprive them of that option. Thus, Pro-
Choicers are sometimes misperceived as favoring one option
over the other. They do not. They support both options
EQUALLY. The misperception happens because the remedy of
abortion is the *only* one of the two options that has a crowd
of hateful, screeching, and ignorant bigots opposing it.
ANTI-Choice louts irrationally seek to impose immense
hardship upon more than a million girls and women per year,
in the USA, by again FORCING them to gestate to term,
against their will, as was the case in the Pre-Roe vs. Wade
Dark Ages. A very real, 9-month-long form of RAPE. Such
a scenario would cause the loss of HUGE ranges of future
opportunities to those girls and women, unless they were
able to afford travel to FREE locations where abortion was
still safe, legal and unfettered. ANTI-Choicers are sociopaths,
and are totally without excuse. (And to date, NO Anti-Choicer
or RRR Cultist (usually the same people) has ever yet been
able to refute ANY of the points made in this article. Which
shows how*monumentally* morally-bankrupt they truly are.)
To see a grave and long-term DANGER to America, if McCain
wins the upcoming election, please read these; in each case
the components of the URLS follow, in case one or both get
shortened in posting.) ---
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/11/vital-warning-unseen-unheeded-now.html
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2007/12/surreal-alternate-reality-if-democrats.html
Abortions obtained by girls and women terminate three of
the four of the reproductive-process entities (RPEs): zygotes,
embryoes & fetuses, up until the 7th month** of gestation)
which have ALL of these characteristics in common with the
first stage -- gametes (sperm and ova):
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend the later three stages of the reproductive
process but NOT the Stage One entities (gametes).
** (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply. (But by then, the ONLY abortions
being performed are for medical emergencies.) In fact, the
procedure that Anti-Choicers LYINGLY call "partial-birth
abortion" NEVER was. It is the MID-term procedure whose
REAL name is ID&E: intact Dilation and Extraction. Which
was almost always done around 4-1/2 MONTHS *before*
birth typically occurs. Anti-Choicers are almost universally
DEVOID of honest. And usually, too, of much in the way
of intelligence.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans; 83% of them:
-- In NO way condemns abortion.
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion.
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of RPEs as people.
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That it regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the import-
ance it ascribes to BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and
first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths.
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization.
-- Thus making gametes (the Stage One RPEs) *equal*
in worth to the other three stages.
-- More than a QUADRILLION gametes are electively
aborted DAILY, worldwide... by *men.* All of
which had been *potential* and unique people.
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately.
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels.
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision.
-- Most women have NO regrets afterward.
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities to
PRE-ill-timed pregnancy levels. Immediately!
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy.
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16.
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term.
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later.
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out,
and those losing the chance to pursue many of the
future opportunities that they formerly had had.
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation.
-- Avoid bringing a child into a less-loving home.
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment.
-- Wait until timing is better before having children.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved.
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home.
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods.
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals.
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful.
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions.
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973.
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them.
-- Between 1973 and 2008, 45 million abortions have been done.
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better .
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 had reached 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world, despite temporary fluctuations.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001, and the current gas-prices crunch. And a strong
U.S. economy benefits the entire world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
-- (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯)
***@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
And with Election Day looming, THIS site is a MUST:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Kelsey Bjarnason
2008-10-21 19:07:26 UTC
[snips]
Irrelevant. What matters is not appearance, but status.
Irrelevant. What matters is not appearance, but status.
Lars Eighner
2008-10-07 23:45:20 UTC
In our last episode,
<45325e71-019a-4f8e-a0b8-***@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Kurt Nicklas
<45325e71-019a-4f8e-a0b8-***@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
the lovely and talented Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Does this look like a baby to you?
No. It looks like you have no ability to reason.Remembering babies lost through abortion
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> ***@larseighner.com
The Daily Beagle <http://larseighner.com/Daily_Beagle/>
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> ***@larseighner.com
The Daily Beagle <http://larseighner.com/Daily_Beagle/>
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
Ray Fischer
2008-10-08 04:22:55 UTC
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Does this look like a baby to you?
Do these?Remembering babies lost through abortion
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.www.samanthasdolls.com
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-09 01:04:02 UTC
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Does this look like a baby to you?
Do these?www.samanthasdolls.comRemembering babies lost through abortion
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.
Mufassa
2008-10-09 01:10:19 UTC
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Does this look like a baby to you?
Do these?www.samanthasdolls.comRemembering babies lost through abortion
No baby has ever been lost through abortion.--
Ray Fischer
pregnat in thier teens and didn't get to go to colloge? or the women
who died in droves because of illeagle abortions who would have lived
if the had a safe leagal abortion? and we are on the subject, if you
are so anti-abortion, why arent you trying to force women to carry to
term the thousands of embryos that are terminated after the parents
have finished with them after artificial insemination?