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#When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background?
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Kurt Nicklas
2008-10-10 00:24:32 UTC
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When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrn
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/abcs_jake_tapper_tries_to_pin.html


By Lynn Sweet on October 7, 2008 6:09 PM


NASHVILLE--Since the McCain campaign has resurfaced the matter of
Barack Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers--the former terrorist now
Chicago education professor---there are some matters I am curious
about. I say this as one who has explained time and again in print and
on television Ayers, by the time Obama met him in the 1990s, was a
respected academic who was welcome into Chicago's civic life.

On Monday, Obama chief strategist David Axelrod said Obama was not
aware of Ayers' terrorist background when he attended a political
coffee at Ayers Hyde Park home at the beginning of his state senate
race sometime in the fall of 1995. Ayers and Obama first crossed paths
in 1995 while involved in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a
foundation dealing with urban education issues.

So the question is--I'm just curious and I wonder about this as one
who has defended Obama's association with Ayers, the education expert
(not Ayers, the terrorist)---when did Obama finally learn about the
Weather Underground background of Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn?


As a young reporter working in Chicago, I was well aware of the
Weather Underground couple on the lam from the law; Ayers father ran
the local electrical utility company and was a big shot in the city.
But this was years before Obama came to Chicago. As a rookie at the
Sun-Times I tried to find Ayers and Dohrn working some connections,
but nothing ever panned out and eventually they surrendered in Chicago
in 1981.

I asked Obama chief strategist David Axelrod on Tuesday afternoon here
when and how Obama learned about Ayers and Dohrn and their days with
the violent radical 1960s group.

Axelrod offered no details and needed to move on to his next
interview, since he was in high demand in the media filing center at
Belmont University, where the second presidential debate will be held
between Obama and John McCain.

Turns out ABC's Jake Tapper was also curious about when Obama learned
about Ayers violent past and pressed Axelrod on the subject during a
Tuesday interview.

"Not that there's been any clear explanation of this relationship
forthcoming from the Obama campaign," Tapper wrote on his ABC blog,
Political Punch.

"So, when did Obama find out that Ayers had been a member of an
organization the FBI called a "domestic terrorist" group, and had
been, for years, a fugitive from the law?

"I don't know," Axelrod said and Tapper reported.

"I mean it was sometime after their first meetings. And you know, he
became aware of it. I don't know the exact moment."

He wasn't aware of who "Ayers" was?

"Yeah," Axelrod said, "I mean, the fact is that like a lot of people
who, you know, didn't live through that era -- particularly those who
didn't live though that era in Chicago -- It just wasn't. I mean, when
he came to Chicago, Ayers was advising Mayor Daley on school reform
issues, and that was his profile, was that he was an expert on
education."

So, did he know who Ayers was when he went to his home in 1995?

"My understanding is that when he went there, he did not," Axelrod
said.

Reporters noticed that clause -- "my understanding is" -- and pressed
further. Did Axelrod ask Obama if he knew Ayers' history when he first
met with him?

"Yes," Axelrod said.

And he did not know?

"Yes," Axelrod said. "That's what I've said -- I answered the question
when I was asked the other day. But no one's suggesting that he never
knew. I mean that's not -- we weren't offering that. I wasn't offering
it -- I was asked a question that you just asked me and just answered
it. I wasn't making an argument about it."

I'm not arguing either. I'm just curious.
House of Bush Crooks
2008-10-10 01:22:35 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrn
Probably when Rove first made it up and had Palin start spouting it ast
week. Obama scares your panties off yet you push McCain like a cheap whore
on impoverished America who has criminal treasonous background.

4787 Dead
2008-10-10 03:47:55 UTC
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:22:35 -0700, "House of Bush Crooks"
Post by House of Bush Crooks
Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrn
Probably when Rove first made it up and had Palin start spouting it ast
week. Obama scares your panties off yet you push McCain like a cheap whore
on impoverished America who has criminal treasonous background.
http://youtu.be/eniG9l_7its
I bet Knickers doesn't know the conservative Annenberg Foundation gave
Ayers $50 million for his schools project, or that he was Chicago's
"citizen of the year" a few years back.

Of course, where Knickers lives, having all your front teeth will
qualify you for "citizen of the year".
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2008-10-10 20:09:28 UTC
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Post by 4787 Dead
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:22:35 -0700, "House of Bush Crooks"
Post by House of Bush Crooks
Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrn
Probably when Rove first made it up and had Palin start spouting it ast
week. Obama scares your panties off yet you push McCain like a cheap whore
on impoverished America who has criminal treasonous background.
http://youtu.be/eniG9l_7its
I bet Knickers doesn't know the conservative Annenberg Foundation gave
Ayers $50 million for his schools project, or that he was Chicago's
"citizen of the year" a few years back.
Of course, where Knickers lives, having all your front teeth will
qualify you for "citizen of the year".
He mowed his lawn and found his Mom's '59 Edsel.
Post by 4787 Dead
Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of
innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
-- John McCain, in the Sept/Oct 2008 issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the
American Academy of Actuaries.
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Reality_Check©
2008-10-10 02:16:25 UTC
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When did McCain know about Cindy's cunt background?
http://www.McCunt.org
Syd M.
2008-10-10 07:17:18 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrnhttp://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/abcs_jake_tapper_tries_to_pin...
Your desperation is noted, Nickers.

PDW
655321
2008-10-11 01:42:32 UTC
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Post by Syd M.
Your desperation is noted, Nickers.
Noted and celebrated.
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655321
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w***@mindless.com
2008-10-11 02:08:06 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrnhttp://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/abcs_jake_tapper_tries_to_pin...
By Lynn Sweet on October 7, 2008 6:09 PM
NASHVILLE--Since the McCain campaign has resurfaced the matter of
Barack Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers--the former terrorist now
Chicago education professor---there are some matters I am curious
about. I say this as one who has explained time and again in print and
on television Ayers, by the time Obama met him in the 1990s, was a
respected academic who was welcome into Chicago's civic life.
On Monday, Obama chief strategist David Axelrod said Obama was not
aware of Ayers' terrorist background when he attended a political
coffee at Ayers Hyde Park home at the beginning of his state senate
race sometime in the fall of 1995. Ayers and Obama first crossed paths
in 1995 while involved in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a
foundation dealing with urban education issues.
Annenberg... Annenberg...

Wait; you mean, as in Lenora Annenberg, who supports the McCain
campaign, and chose both Ayers and Obama to be on the Chicago
Annenberg Challenge?
Steve
2008-10-12 00:23:47 UTC
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Post by w***@mindless.com
Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrnhttp://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/abcs_jake_tapper_tries_to_pin...
By Lynn Sweet on October 7, 2008 6:09 PM
NASHVILLE--Since the McCain campaign has resurfaced the matter of
Barack Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers--the former terrorist now
Chicago education professor---there are some matters I am curious
about. I say this as one who has explained time and again in print and
on television Ayers, by the time Obama met him in the 1990s, was a
respected academic who was welcome into Chicago's civic life.
On Monday, Obama chief strategist David Axelrod said Obama was not
aware of Ayers' terrorist background when he attended a political
coffee at Ayers Hyde Park home at the beginning of his state senate
race sometime in the fall of 1995. Ayers and Obama first crossed paths
in 1995 while involved in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a
foundation dealing with urban education issues.
Annenberg... Annenberg...
Wait; you mean, as in Lenora Annenberg, who supports the McCain
campaign, and chose both Ayers and Obama to be on the Chicago
Annenberg Challenge?
Looks like Milt Shook again... <yawn> with another new sock-puppet
name..
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"It doesn't matter if it's state property or not; the state doesn't
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access it, but they can't force people to have a state ID card or
something. It's right in the 14th Amendment; if you allow one person
to get in for free, then all people have to be allowed in for free, if
it's public property."
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"No person pays corporate taxes. The corporation pays those."[...] the
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"I'm at a loss as to why you think increasing the
necessary collateral, while not decreasing the
value of the loan, is not a net loss."
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"I was hit by buckshot by accident once when I was a kid. I
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business expense the next.
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consultant and have his own corporation.
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"the private insurance company is answerable to no
legal authority"
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"And if I sell stock, my asset level is reduced by the
amount of that stock, EVEN IF the stock I sell is sold
for more than I paid for it."
--Milt Shook.
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"I mean, Jesus, you moron; basically what you're arguing is that the
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"Anyone who doesn't deal with fiction has no clue how the world works,
because most real truth is found in fiction. I'll also note that all
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"When you're margin is called, that's a liability, not an asset. If
you have an account with $100,000 in it, and you borrow $10,000 to
buy with, you only have $100,000 in assets; until you pay the loan,
that $10,000 is not an asset; it's a liability. When the margin is
called (for shits and giggles, let's say for the full amount of
$10,000), there is no way to say that you haven't lost $10,000. In
fact, you're actually out $20,000, because you're out the $10,000
for the loan and the $10,000 to call the margin."
-- Milt Shook Apr 28,2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.impeach.bush/msg/a

Dan Clore
2008-10-11 08:27:48 UTC
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More interesting question. Of course, perhaps McCain still hasn't heard
about things like Watergate?

http://tinyurl.com/3gu8dv

(Also note the MSM's continuing pro-McCain double-standard on this issue.)
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Anarcissie
2008-10-11 13:48:47 UTC
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It is sort of sad to see poor old McCain
besmirching himself and descending into the
muck at the end of his career. I regard it
as the influence not so much of Rove as the
Fundamentalist jihadis he brought on board
with Palin -- you can see some of the rank
and file croaking about the end of the world
and killing Obama at the more recent rallies.
I don't think McCain knows what to do with
them. He's got a tiger -- or maybe I should
say a hyena -- by the tail.

In article
Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrn
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/abcs_jake_tapper_tries_to_pin.html
Phlip
2008-10-11 14:46:19 UTC
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Post by Anarcissie
It is sort of sad to see poor old McCain
besmirching himself and descending into the
muck at the end of his career. I regard it
as the influence not so much of Rove as the
Fundamentalist jihadis he brought on board
with Palin
Long after the dust has settled, when McCain is fading from public view and
begins to wonder about his legacy...

...he is going to quietly blame Palin on Rove. A deathbed confession kind of
thing.
4787 Dead
2008-10-11 14:49:40 UTC
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Post by Anarcissie
It is sort of sad to see poor old McCain
besmirching himself and descending into the
muck at the end of his career. I regard it
as the influence not so much of Rove as the
Fundamentalist jihadis he brought on board
with Palin -- you can see some of the rank
and file croaking about the end of the world
and killing Obama at the more recent rallies.
I don't think McCain knows what to do with
them. He's got a tiger -- or maybe I should
say a hyena -- by the tail.
In article
Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrn
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/abcs_jake_tapper_tries_to_pin.html
You need only look at Knickers to see what the GOP has become:
vicious, wrong-headed, greedy, ignorant, and filled with a sense of
entitlement.
--

Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of
innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.
-- John McCain, in the Sept/Oct 2008 issue of Contingencies, the magazine of the
American Academy of Actuaries.
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Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Steve
2008-10-11 17:05:53 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:49:40 -0700, 4787 Dead
Post by 4787 Dead
Post by Anarcissie
It is sort of sad to see poor old McCain
besmirching himself and descending into the
muck at the end of his career. I regard it
as the influence not so much of Rove as the
Fundamentalist jihadis he brought on board
with Palin -- you can see some of the rank
and file croaking about the end of the world
and killing Obama at the more recent rallies.
I don't think McCain knows what to do with
them. He's got a tiger -- or maybe I should
say a hyena -- by the tail.
In article
Post by Kurt Nicklas
When did Obama know about Ayers terrorist background? My search for
Ayers and Dohrn
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/abcs_jake_tapper_tries_to_pin.html
vicious, wrong-headed, greedy, ignorant, and filled with a sense of
entitlement.
Poor Fatty Jamieson, always hateful and jealous of his superiors.


Canyon note: Zepp doesn't even understand the financial terms, let alone
how a mortgage works or how the economy works

"So how come we just had an economic meltdown caused by idiots
trying to pretend mortgage notes were assets?"
--David (Zepp) Jamieson Sep 23, 2008
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"And why are dividends on 401Ks considered capital gains? (They are,
when it comes time to cash the 401K in, but Steve wouldn't know that)."
David (Zepp) Jamieson Tue, 29 Jul 2008
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If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
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More stupid claims by Jamieson

"I just found out that Condoleezza Rice, [...], the National Security
advisor, spend last evening attending a Broadway play."
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"Electricity in California was a publically-held utility (i.e.,
government-run) from 1895 until 1998. It took privatization
of the generation plants to fuck everything up
beyond belief."
David (Zepp) Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/3ad9a56512ac8e2e?hl=en

"The first amendment means that you are protected by law from haters."
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"Well, that's the funny thing about terrorists. If they get what they
want, they stop being terrorists."
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"The South couldn't taken any more of the Missouri Compromise,
sensing (correctly) that it would kill slavery in the end,
and Lincoln planned to uphold it."
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"No plane hit the Pentagon."
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"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution specifies that people have
a right to vote in a presidential election pretty much takes the
choice of having [a presidential election] out of the hands of the states."
Zepp Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
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In fact, I question the milk price, since farm supports put a "floor"
on what retailers can charge.
-- Zepp Jamieson
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"Promote the general welfare" chuckles. That means the government is
there to prevent churches, aristocracy, or corporations fron enslaving
the American people.
-- Zepp Jamieson
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"Actually, any beach front has public access, and all state owned
(whether federal or state) must grant equal access to all. That is
the law."
David (Zepp) Jamieson more ignorance of the law
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